Zarkmark tries to help you rate PuG players
There have been a number of sites lately, especially with the recent rise in endgame pickup groups, designed to help you find and examine potential PuGgers quickly. But none of them have made it quite as easy as Zarkmark, a site that allows you to quickly rate anybody you come across ingame by "zarking" (rating them up) or "marking" (rating them down) them. Then, they offer a quick search, which will not only give you a one-click link to the Armory, but an easy-to-read screen of how many people have rated the player you're looking at. Theoretically, ninjas will never find a group again.Of course, theory is theory, and right now, the Zarkmark directory is pretty empty, so odds are that for any given player you look up, you won't really get much feedback. But you never know -- if players jump in and populate the site (and it wouldn't help to have a little help from them -- instead of just an Armory link, it would be nice to see a player's gear and achievements right there on the page), we might eventually get a pretty accurate picture of what someone's reputation looks like.
In fact, I'm a little surprised that Blizzard hasn't ever considered a reputation system in-game. Xbox Live carries one off pretty well -- even though I've never actually used it to consider who I do and don't play against, I have rated players and I know it's very easy to see scores if I wanted to. Given the rising numbers of VoA ninjas and PuGing in general, it might be worth it for them to give each player a socially-created rating in the LFG interface.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 3)
SaintStryfe Apr 16th 2009 9:08PM
I'll be using this. It just sounds useful. Probably only in negative, though. Positively if a person really blows me away.
sooper Apr 29th 2009 4:09PM
It would take a special community of people to rate the players. A community that would soon be over whelmed by the task of rating so many players.
The game would definitely have to have something built in like this:
Per account you can only rate a person Up, Down, or not at all. You can only rate them once per account. (what's the mod that shares your friends across alts? Yeah, something like that) You can't bump them up multiple times or down multiple times. So if they're rated down by you and they do something decent, you can rate them neutral/eventually positive.
Built in will have to be some kind of formula that says, "ok. this guy reported 15 people in 5 minutes." and negatively effect the reporter's rating because it's not often that you come across everyone that's absolutely worthy of a bad comment. In most cases, 3 or 4 people can take care of all the ignorance for the rest of the people that may be accompanying them in which case a guild rating could be considered (though that could get ugly).
Just something to think about. Most people in this community are pretty insightful, I'm sure Wowinsider folks could come up with something along these lines.
sooper Apr 29th 2009 4:10PM
It would take a special community of people to rate the players. A community that would soon be over whelmed by the task of rating so many players.
The game would definitely have to have something built in like this:
Per account you can only rate a person Up, Down, or not at all. You can only rate them once per account. (what's the mod that shares your friends across alts? Yeah, something like that) You can't bump them up multiple times or down multiple times. So if they're rated down by you and they do something decent, you can rate them neutral/eventually positive.
Built in will have to be some kind of formula that says, "ok. this guy reported 15 people in 5 minutes." and negatively effect the reporter's rating because it's not often that you come across everyone that's absolutely worthy of a bad comment. In most cases, 3 or 4 people can take care of all the ignorance for the rest of the people that may be accompanying them in which case a guild rating could be considered (though that could get ugly).
Just something to think about. Most people in this community are pretty insightful, I'm sure Wowinsider folks could come up with something along these lines.
GoldenGoat Apr 16th 2009 9:13PM
Hope it catches on! I've been hoping for something like this, glad you guys are giving it publicity.
Avrsion Apr 16th 2009 9:15PM
Not sure encouraging PuGs is the best thing to do....
http://theavr.wordpress.com/
Norcallights Apr 16th 2009 11:29PM
Why not encourage PuGing? PuGs are a reality of casual play, and some of the most fun I've had in-game has come from running with players I don't know...
Lemons Apr 17th 2009 12:13PM
The most fun you've had in-game is the time you've spent with strangers?
You've gotta get some better friends...
Jason Apr 16th 2009 9:22PM
Want this in a AddOn so I flag people good or bad and then have it uploaded to some website.
That is besides the point, Blizzard should have an in game rep system.
romiress Apr 16th 2009 9:27PM
"Do I know you" is the addon you seek. :) Has all these features.
Grogzai Apr 16th 2009 9:28PM
http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/project-3900.aspx
^^ designed mainly for PvP so you can kill ppl who have ganked you in the past, but can be used for ninja's and such, it can also share ur blacklist with others in your guild
Something to add though with a system like this, is people will exploit it and spamm negative feedback about some1 pureply because they are douches.
and especially for a system hosted on a 3rd party website, it's going to mostly attract negative attention, seriously, if you run a Naxx10 pug, every1 seems to know what they're doing and you get through fine, are you going to bother to head to the website and report good infomation of all of them? Probably not, but if there is 1 person who is a ninja/noob/complete dick face, you probably would, thus, the database will probably just fill up with mostly negative reviews on people
SBKT Apr 16th 2009 9:42PM
Like Fame in Maplestory?
Nnnnoo thanks. People will be screaming "PAYING 300g FOR FAME PST"
Angry Joe Apr 17th 2009 10:08AM
Try this:
http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4538
pkrockin Apr 17th 2009 11:08AM
NotesUNeed is a good addon for tracking notes and ratings of players, as well as equipment lists or anything else you need to make in-game notes of.
artifex Apr 16th 2009 9:26PM
Remember your first heroic as an 80? You probably sucked compared to where you are now (and if not, maybe you suck now). If your pugmates months ago zarked you, and not many people have bothered to vote you back up since then, then casual checkers will probably just see the negative marks and skip you.
Mastique Apr 17th 2009 10:21AM
I concur. Another problem I could see is some QQkid who for whatever reason got mad, lets say for the sake of argument, he called you on something and you pointed out that he was wrong. Not necessarily in a douchy way, but he got butt-hurt, and decided to zark you. I saw it on an RP server where a kid would report folks names as retribution for making him feel bad about himself. I guess it was his only revenge, but he was famous for it. I do however agree that some sort of ranking system would be most beneficial. Just not sure how it would best be implimented.
AutumnBringer Apr 16th 2009 9:33PM
I just really don't know about something like this. Even if there is something to stop you from exploiting the rating system somehow, how often do people go out of their way to acknowledge someone else did a good job compared to how often they'll go out of their way to complain about *what they perceive* was a bad job.
... stupid healer, didn't heal me when I pulled aggro while standing naked in a fire, I am so rating him down ...
Codexx Apr 16th 2009 10:40PM
The biggest issues with this sytem is:
1: people get negative repped for doing NOTHING. You used Xbox Live as an example, so I'll use my Xbox Live account for my example. I have a small percentage of people who marked me down for "disruptive communication". The problem? I never use my mic. When I do, it's so that when the small children yell obscenities, they aren't broadcast across the entire neighborhood.
2: Abuse. Sure, a Ninja may get some negatives on his account, but can't he just have friends say he was awesome? Can't his friends mark "Ignore the ninja comments, they were jealous he won rolls". Sure, it's not really a foolproof way of abusing the system, but it would bring their average score up enough that anyone not digging into comments wouldn't know.
There's some in between 1-2 that also count as abuse, such as down ranking for disliking someone, or being pissed and blaming someone else. Often, the person being blamed doesn't deserve it, but a permanent mark is a little harder to get over.
Rob Apr 17th 2009 10:11AM
Agreed, ripe for abuse. Given the population of this game, i fail to see how an open-ended rating system would help. Agreed something would be nice, maybe like the ebay thumbs up thumbs down while requiring a certain rating to leave comments. I don't see a system in which all the kids would not totally abuse it, since it relys on the honor system.
Brian Apr 16th 2009 10:43PM
Xbox Live's system is far from perfect. I've noticed people will choose to avoid a player and pick a random issue just to avoid getting matched with them. Also one minor misunderstanding could easily cause someone to get an entire guild to de-rep a player. It would just be asking for abuse.
front243 Apr 16th 2009 11:13PM
"If you know you met this player once before but can't remember if s/he was good or bad... Karma is for you":
http://wowinterface.com/downloads/info8712-Karmaplayertracking.html
Doesn't share ratings with the entire server though. That would be nice if it could, but it would also be open to abuse then.