Zarkmark tries to help you rate PuG players
There have been a number of sites lately, especially with the recent rise in endgame pickup groups, designed to help you find and examine potential PuGgers quickly. But none of them have made it quite as easy as Zarkmark, a site that allows you to quickly rate anybody you come across ingame by "zarking" (rating them up) or "marking" (rating them down) them. Then, they offer a quick search, which will not only give you a one-click link to the Armory, but an easy-to-read screen of how many people have rated the player you're looking at. Theoretically, ninjas will never find a group again.Of course, theory is theory, and right now, the Zarkmark directory is pretty empty, so odds are that for any given player you look up, you won't really get much feedback. But you never know -- if players jump in and populate the site (and it wouldn't help to have a little help from them -- instead of just an Armory link, it would be nice to see a player's gear and achievements right there on the page), we might eventually get a pretty accurate picture of what someone's reputation looks like.
In fact, I'm a little surprised that Blizzard hasn't ever considered a reputation system in-game. Xbox Live carries one off pretty well -- even though I've never actually used it to consider who I do and don't play against, I have rated players and I know it's very easy to see scores if I wanted to. Given the rising numbers of VoA ninjas and PuGing in general, it might be worth it for them to give each player a socially-created rating in the LFG interface.
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Reader Comments (Page 3 of 3)
Follisimo Apr 17th 2009 6:35AM
This is mostly a bad idea since pretty much anyone can vote against you. I can see someone losing the bid of an item clearly and getting mad or leaving a guild. The whole raid/guild could all down vote the person. It's not hard to get a group of people to just all vote bad to give people a bad reputation. I mean I can say paying 5g to vote blah blah on this site bad if it really caught on totally trash the person. So as the intentions are good it will end up bad in the hands of the users.
carbocation Apr 17th 2009 9:08AM
The big problem (as several before me have pointed out) is the abouse of such system.
To fix that I suggest the score you see should be based on how you have scored the others. Here is an example with numbers 1=bad, 5=best.
A score B with 5 points. B score C with 2 points.
A score D with 2 points. D score C with 5 points.
A should see person C as 2 in score because its more likely that A and B see the person C with the same eyes than person A and D see person C.
Of course the more the system learn the better the predection will become.
Maybe some sort of timestamp should also be fit into the score system as people learn to play their character or maybe switch from healer to dps role etc.
Jeaz Apr 17th 2009 7:45AM
Looks nice
Boocat Apr 17th 2009 8:18AM
I understand that there should be a way for players to police the game from bad players, but the abuse of this kind of in game system out weight any good it would do.
The best system is to keep note on bad players and don't group with them. There was an addon called Blacklist I think that keep track of bad and good players for you and would set off an alarm if a bad player was in the group you just join. An addon like this would be better than a vote/rating system.
Netherscourge Apr 17th 2009 8:17AM
I think this is horrible.
It will not benefit anyone - It will be exploited and abused. Friends will make up bogus positive reviews of one another just to get a good standing and fool people into taking them into raids.
Likewise, someone who dislikes another person can talk their friends or their guild to all post negative feedback about a player, even if it's a good player, just to get them blacklisted and block them from getting into future raids.
It's a terrible idea and I hope nobody takes this seriously. Although it sounds like a good idea, this like most player-organized programs CAN and WILL be exploited.
Infectis Apr 17th 2009 9:59AM
That site is not updated. Nesingwary, a transfer only server that is currently locked, is not on the list.
BP Apr 20th 2009 1:37AM
The site isn't working for servers with what appear to be two words, like Scarletcrusade or Shadowmon.
Broken site, broken system. Whatever happened to just ignoring players and moving on with your life anyway?
Kreakdore Apr 17th 2009 10:37AM
I think this site is pretty good for auditing characters:
http://be.imba.hu
Dave Apr 17th 2009 12:42PM
This would work better if after you zarked/marked somebody, it linked your vote, with a link to your Armory, every vote you've ever made, and every vote made about you. Also automatically lower the value of votes as the number of their votes goes up. Inverse correlation and all that fun stuff. Then chronic downraters could be systemically avoided, and their votes devalued.
KilgoreTrout XL Apr 17th 2009 11:31AM
Having an in-game mechanic to discriminate and publicly flame other players, in a video-game pixel-filled fantasy land that's supposed to be (and is, usually) a good time and a nice escape, would be a total disaster.
This is an astoundingly poor idea.
Zarkmark Apr 17th 2009 12:06PM
Thank you everyone for your enthusiasm and feedback! We’re excited to see the chatter going around and are definitely reading all your comments you’ve posted here and comments you’ve sent us through ZarkmarK.com .
Since every comment, Zark, and Mark comes from a character that’s been verified by its true owner, that character has a reputation of its own. Users can see every comment, Zark, and mark made by that character by looking on its character page. Once the community starts catching on who are the jerks are, you can choose to ignore or filter all of their feedback in your mind. The same goes for characters who sell Zarks and good comments.
There’s also a friends feature (available in your user info once you log in) where you can tag who your friend’s character and whenever you browse to a character page, your friend’s Zarks and Marks will be tagged with a star. That feedback should standout and have more weight to you than other random people you don’t know.
Thanks,
The ZarkmarK team
Iceveiled Apr 17th 2009 12:29PM
There should be something like this built into the game, whenever you view somebody's character sheet there should be a rating.
Of course I understand if it's not; it would be prone to abuse. There's a lot of drama in WoW.
I like to think I'm a good PuG'er so it would be nice to have something like this in-game.
dave Apr 17th 2009 12:43PM
Stupid comment system...I posted mine before he said that it has everything I was saying it needed.
Verit Apr 17th 2009 3:48PM
I have a mental note of players and guilds to avoid on my realm (the kinds of people who I've given multiple chances, and have failed every time) - and they are the kind of people that do deserve a ranking system, but I think most of us that are reasonable players have good and bad days that this system doesn't really benefit.
Jawajoey Apr 17th 2009 4:03PM
I thought this was pretty neat, but the comments here bring up a lot of good points.
It could very well add a layer of drama that PuGs don't need and might not be able to survive. Imagine when you need a healer and the Group Leader won't invite one because he doesn't invite "bads," and the healer got marked too much at some point.
A few suggestions to improve the sight, on the off chance that the creators are reading this:
The words "Zark" and "Mark" aren't obviously negative or positive. Without you telling me, I wouldn't know which one is good.
Forcing users to make an account will discourage a great number of people from using the site. Use and data is what this site needs more than anything if it's going to be attractive to anyone. And having an account won't prevent people upvoting themselves repeatedly or downvoting others. People have more than one email address.
Patrick Sullivan Apr 18th 2009 5:28AM
I checked out the site- you have to verify the character through the armory. Wear two pieces of armor, log out (two pieces of white vendor gear) and you're verified. Means that the characters are the actual people. The stars from friends would also work. I think that there will be some abuse, but after all you can only rate a person once, without posting on some alts.
Overall, i think it may help a little bit- after all a few negatives from jerks who actually take the time to verify and log in (most online friends won't do that) will probably effect you're profile, but could be ignored. However, some chars will have - NINJA do not invite! written on them 50 times, that may say something