Officers' Quarters: Want loot? Buy us a server
Every Monday Scott Andrews contributes Officers' Quarters, a column about the ins and outs of guild leadership.As an officer or a guild leader, doing favors for your friends is one thing. The situation described below goes way beyond that. This one just blows my mind. Let's jump right into it.
Hey Scott,
I'm by no means an officer or leader of a guild but I am a very active raider. We use the EP/GP loot system in our guild; it calculates how often you raid vs. how much gear you acquire and based on that gives you priority when looting.
Myself, a raider who attends almost every major raid, and an officer who tries to be there when he can, have both been wanting a certain item to drop. I finally pass this officer on priority and if the item drops it should be mine.
Our last Naxx raid the item drops and I put in for it, and suddenly it gets awarded to the officer. I confront the guild leader about this, knowing he is friends with the guy and he gives me a vague answer such as "I'm sorry I know you're pissed at me, but that item has been destined to be his for a long time, I'm sure you'll get the next one." What kind of answer is that?! This is supposed to be a fair loot system right? So I go and confront the officer that was awarded the loot, after several minutes he told me that he had made a back door deal to get that item. He had just bought the guild a new Ventrilo server, and the condition he made to the guild leader was that he gets that item when it drops.
Some might say, "Well he spent his money on this for the guild, he should get something in return." Come on, really? I myself have purchased a Vent server for a guild before and asked for nothing in return, as I'm sure many others have for their guild as well.
Does this mean that loot is now up for grabs if you can cut a deal for something with the guild leader? I myself did not make this public knowledge to the guild, but sometimes I wonder if I should or not. At this point one might say the loot system did not hold up and this could easily turn into an officer/leader award loot system; how am I supposed to trust this won't happen again with me or with someone else?
To put it bluntly, you can't. Loot systems, particularly complex merit-based loot systems like EPGP, must be sacred. If your raiding members are to have faith in the system, the rules of the system must be obeyed. You can of course make exceptions for items like Val'anyr, but those exceptions must be announced ahead of time.
A deal like the one you describe isn't an exception to the rule. It's essentially a bribe, using real money. The fact that your guild leader would agree to that kind of deal is one thing. The fact that he conspired behind the backs of the other members -- and then wouldn't even admit to it when confronted -- is just cowardly and reprehensible. Then when you consider that it was an officer benefiting from the deal, the situation looks even uglier.Your guild leader is corrupt and the loot system is corrupt, too. It's the same kind of corruption you see in politics when, for example, a government official takes a bribe to let a company off the hook for polluting a river. Obviously loot in an MMO is far less significant, but the fundamental ethics are the same.
I wouldn't have a problem with this situation if everyone involved had been honest and upfront about it.
Did the guild leader even ask other members if they wanted to chip in for a Vent server? If a guild is successful, people are usually willing to help out. It sounds like no one even had a chance to volunteer.
If everyone knew about this deal in advance, they could have made a choice about whether they want to attend raids when an item they're looking for won't be available. As it stands, there was no way for anyone to know -- and it seems like no one else is aware of what really happened even now.
Deciding whether or not you should expose this bribe is a serious matter. It will certainly shake up the guild, and it could have serious repercussions both immediately and down the road. If it were me, I would ask my guild leader to come clean to the rest of the guild about what happened. Give him the chance to be honest with everyone before you expose him. It won't make things right, but at least he can apologize and promise never to do such a thing again.
If he refuses to, then, in your shoes, I would go public with the information. But I'd make damn sure I had all the right information about the EPGP points to back up the accusation with solid evidence. Take screenshots as soon as possible. For all you know, your guild leader could go back and doctor the system to make it look like his officer deserved the drop after all.
If he forces your hand like this, you'll probably have to leave the guild after you expose him. But at that point, would you really want to stay there anyway? At least you'll have the satisfaction of making sure your former guildmates know what kind of guild leader they're really dealing with.
/salute
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 5)
Kolo Apr 20th 2009 1:09PM
Expose him, and gquit. You deserve better.
torgun Apr 20th 2009 1:16PM
I agree. Expose the filth. Nail this clown to the wall.
But be sure to drop WI a line when you do, because we all harbor that guilty pleasure of enjoying other guilds' drama.
Lyraat Apr 20th 2009 2:12PM
Agreed.
Post everything everywhere. Screenshots and the guild's EPGP standings should be plastered on the guild's website and the server's forum. Make sure as many people as possible know about this.
Some might say, don't be vindictive. This isn't. This is warning the other guild members and future, potential guild members that the guild leadership is corrupt and they should remain/join at their own peril.
I hope that enough people leave the guild due to this despicable act to make the newly-purchased vent server useless because the guild can't raid any more. Delicious, that would be.
Justin Apr 20th 2009 2:40PM
Had the Leadership made it public before hand and said "buy our vent and get loot" that would have been one (slightly less annoying) thing. As they/he/she did not, F-em...
UKVampire Apr 20th 2009 5:10PM
Expose him, this is just the type of goings on that people should be aware of and if thats the way the guild leader runs the guild then you are better off finding if not starting a new guild.
Eisengel Apr 20th 2009 11:01PM
I say give him the chance to make good. Tell him he and his buddy both need to fess up to what they did as publicly as possible, that he should immediately step down as GM and officer, and his buddy should also be immediately kicked. Tell him if this doesn't happen, you'll tell the guild yourself, and that you certainly won't give it a soft spin, which he might if he was the one announcing it. This should definitely not be allowed to go unexposed, no matter what.
Snuff Apr 21st 2009 3:27PM
I feel luckier and luckier to be in the guild i am in. This weekend a healing mace dropped off kel'thuzad that I knew our main guild healer had been looking for awhile. Instead of rolling for it he said to give it to me. I mean this is the kind of guild I am in that the main healer and an officer would give it to me. I pretended that the mace I had was better to make him take it. I believe loot will come and as I am now 1 of the main raid healers I will get another chance at it.
Marliej Apr 20th 2009 1:11PM
Just make it public, leave the guild and find a normal and fair guild imo.
Also, what item was it ! I'm dying to know ^^
AyaJulia Apr 20th 2009 1:27PM
My money's on Betrayer of Humanity, or some other 226 drop. Those are so good at causing drama.
BigDogg795 Apr 20th 2009 8:35PM
"Betrayer of Humanity"...how deliciously ironic...
Memzer Apr 20th 2009 9:03PM
Betrayer or the Torch would definitely be my guesses ;)
Michael Apr 20th 2009 1:12PM
I agreed; give him a chance to come clean and if not follow what Kolo said. If a point system is used it has to be sacrosanct or there is no point in using it.
Kolo Apr 20th 2009 1:26PM
He should leave regardless of the GM coming clean. People don't change. But you can always find a good guild.
grimhammer Apr 20th 2009 1:13PM
Why is he even paying for a vent server when waranvil offers free teamspeak servers?!
It sounds like that guild is being run by a bunch of rank amatures to, I'd get out while you have the chance to be quite honest.
Mister K Apr 20th 2009 2:07PM
We tried going with their free teamspeak but we had too many members who could not get teamspeak to work correctly and went back to vent.
Kirioth Apr 20th 2009 2:11PM
That seems to be a recurring problem. We're intending to write up a guide on setting up and using Teamspeak, so that our service will become more accessible.
Nadril Apr 20th 2009 2:53PM
Probably paying for ventrilo because Teamspeak's sound codec sucks nuts.
Bangarang Apr 20th 2009 1:16PM
we use EPGP in my raiding guild, and this would never happen. We go by the list, regardless of who it is. As an officer, I'd be ashamed of myself and the rest of my leadership if this happened.
gquit..lots of other guilds out there. Hell, free transfers to my server right now (Gul'dan)
Angus Apr 20th 2009 4:08PM
My wife and I were secretly dreading the day one of our "carries" asked for a piece of loot. He did on one of the best dps trinkets in the game. Our other affliction lost a clear upgrade.
By "carries" I refer to someone in a Tier 7.5 head piece along with 3-4 other Naxx 25 pieces and the rest Naxx 10 managing to do less than half the DPS a lock in Naxx 10 with a few blues still. We also have given a Holy Priest (with less HPS than a Disc priest in worse gear) gear over people that needed it more.
Why did we do this?
Because that loot system is the most fair thing on the planet we can find. Someone ruining it by not going by the ratio would cause a mass gquit due to favoritism.
Web Apr 20th 2009 1:16PM
Make it public, jack the guild bank,, claim you were hacked, and transfer off. Ten eyes for one eye is my motto!