The state of the Horde and the Alliance

Now, it's also worth remembering that there's no black and white in Azeroth either. The Horde aren't evil for just being the Horde, neither are the Alliance all pure as newly fallen snow. Each faction has done its fair share of pure and evil acts depending on the actions of individual heroes and the motivations of their leaders.
But now we're post patch 3.1, it's time to rexamine the state of relations between the two factions. Times have changed quite drastically since we first entered Azeroth and the addition of The Burning Crusade and Wrath of the Lich King have only made things much more complicated. The Wrath Gate cinematic gave us some glimpse of how the two factions are getting on in the continually evolving lore of Azeroth. While the recent trailer for the Secrets of Ulduar offered an even more promising glimpse at the deterioration of that tenuous peace.
For the most part this is mutual, but the real culprit behind everything is King Varian Wynn. Yes, the human king hates the Orcs (and by extension the Horde) and, to be honest, who can blame him? Abducted, bespelled and sold into slavery as part of a grand plot by the dragoness Onyxia he (as the gladiator Lo'Gosh) found himself without his memories in Orgrimmar.
Now returned to his throne room in Stormwind, he is a changed man. Bitter and battleworn, his attitude only gets worse once the Alliance loses its greatest living legend Bolvar Fordragon during the battle of the Wrath Gate.
So last night, I finally got around to completing the Wrath Gate questline and witnessed for myself how much Varian is letting his hatred rule his head. He blames the Horde and Thrall personally for the death of Bolvar despite the fact that it was a renegade faction of the Forsaken under the orders of Grand Apothocary Putress which caused the massacre. For now, at least, he seems so blinded by hate that he is unable or unwilling to make that distinction:
"I've waited a long time for this, Thrall. For every time I was thrown into one of your damned arenas... for every time I killed a green-skinned aberration like you... I could only think of one thing. What our world could be without you and your twisted Horde..."At the same time, the Horde are not all innocence and light either. Thrall's right-hand orc Garrosh Hellscream is just as bad. While he doesn't so much hate humans, he does lust for power seeing himself as the next Warchief and believes Thrall's weakness is his willingness to entertain humans like Jaina Proudmore (who I'm sure Thrall has a crush on).
So with 3.1, we got our first proper look at how the Alliance and Horde are coping post-Wrath Gate and it's not pretty. Varian seems to be swallowed by grief and fury while Thrall is receptive to Jaina's suggestions simply because she has always been a mediator between the factions.
You'd think such a dangerous situation as the resurgence of the Old God Yogg-Saron might unite these enemies against a common foe. Perhaps in the past this could have been true but now, neither side is willing to be co-operative. The trailer, as well as setting up 3.1, also features a promising sub-plot focusing on how the the two sides are beginning to turn completely against each other. I think it's only a matter of time before Blizzard bring this whole mess to a head and Varian and Garrosh face off.
We've already seen from the trailer that this is part of an on-going storyline, but I suspect it's not just a justification for war. There's a promise of something larger than just one king's grudge and perhaps we will discover an answer in the next patch or expansion.
Filed under: Analysis / Opinion, The Burning Crusade, Lore, NPCs, Wrath of the Lich King
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Reader Comments (Page 2 of 7)
Heilig Apr 27th 2009 2:57AM
"I don't feel like you can blame the Horde for what the Royal Apothecary Society did, unless you blame the Alliance for everything the Scarlet Crusade has done."
Scarlet Crusade: Holed up in their own holdings in northern Lordaeron, under attack from Horde and Alliance alike. Ditto in Northrend, except there are even more Alliance forces dedicated to removing them.
Royal Apothecary Society: Sanctioned and supported by the Forsaken, with their headquarters a stone's throw away from Sylvanas' throne room, "missionaries" at nearly every horde camp in Azeroth, and a dominant force in Northrend, shooting plague onto everything they can find, all with the support of Horde leadership.
There is NO comparison between the two.
Warhammer43 Apr 27th 2009 11:07AM
To those that compare the Scarlet Crucade to the RAS:
The Alliance as no control over the doings of the scarlet crucade, infact since the start of wow alliance members have been running through triasfal galdes to attack scarlet monastary. They are attackable enemies for gods sakes!
The RAS has always been based in undercity, and dont tell me Sylvanas* didn't know about what they were up to. There have always been quest givers from the RAS scattered thoughout Azeroth claiming to do the bidding of "The Dark Lady". They may have gone rogue, but they have been planning to unleah a plague for a long time. If anyone paid any attention to the quests from hillbrad you would have figured that out!
*probably misspelled that
yokumgang Apr 26th 2009 2:16PM
Thrall and Jaina, sitting in a tree, K I S S I N G
Kassu Apr 26th 2009 2:53PM
Introducing the new race:
Half-Orc
jurm Apr 26th 2009 6:45PM
Mildly off topic, but there's also the half orc half draenei NPC in Nagrand. So half-races are something that blizz has at least touched on.
Jonathan Apr 26th 2009 9:17PM
@slimj091:
"they are a species that willingly gave themselves to the burning legion in return for a pitiful amount of power. they are a species that invaded, and almost destroyed the world of azeroth with that power."
How do you account for the Eredar, then? The Alliance welcomed the Draenai with open arms, despite the fact members of their race are essentially the ones who created the Horde in the first place? The Orcs were a peaceful, Shamanistic people until the Eradar came around. If you're going to hold Thrall and the modern Horde accountable for the actions of Ner'zhul, shouldn't the Alliance be accountable after admitting a race that spawned Kil'jaeden?
veil Apr 27th 2009 12:44PM
@Kassu | an entirely new player race completely sired by jaina and thrall? yikes.
Biub Apr 26th 2009 2:18PM
Maybe Varian found out that the whole idea for a "new plague" has been on the the mind of Sylvanus for ages? Way, way back in Vanilla, there was all the talk of a "new plague," all under the direction of Sylvanus and her apothecaries. I don't know when Putress arrived to backstab everybody, but in the beginning it was Sylvanus' idea to kill everybody/turn them into Forsaken. Of course, there's the excuse that she was doing that because nobody would except the Forsaken as a legitimate power, so I guess it just comes down to stupid leaders on both sides making stupid decisions.
Biub Apr 26th 2009 2:19PM
Ugh, I fail at spelling. "nobody would *accept* the Forsaken as a legitimate power"
Jiggler Apr 26th 2009 2:47PM
The "New Plague" was designed to kill the Scourge, and ONLY the Scourge. It wasn't her intent to kill anybody else with this plague.
Wulfkin Apr 26th 2009 3:02PM
I've always wondered how about how direct Sylvanas's involvement with the creation of the plague was , its left very open. The creation of a plague to wipe out the Scourge? Sure, that's got her mark all over it. But the part where this idea changes into a plague that destroys everything that is non-Forsaken in the world, im not so sure.
On the one hand, we have her statement: "We are the Forsaken, we will slaughter anyone who stands in our way!", and she certainly is not anyone you'd want to cross, but then we've also seen a more level-headed, diplomatic side to her of late. She's made strong overtures to establishing ties with the Blood Elves, her former race, and her involvement in the Horde seems to have taken on a degree of serious companionship. There seems to be a reasonable amount of trust between her and Thrall, they're never going to be best buddies but they help each other out.
As such I wonder if Sylvanas really is hell-bent on wiping out *all* life. When levelling up as a Forsaken character, there are several lowbie quests where you assist the Royal Apothecary society in the creation of a genocidal plague, and you are told this is the will of the Banshee Queen. But we never actually hear this from Sylvanas *herself*. Given that Varimathras's corruption of the RAS has been a long time in the mix, how much of the RAS's actions have truly been at her behest, and how much of it has been rearticulated into their own plans? Indeed, the fact that the RAS organised a coup in order to unleash their plague (in the name of the Forsaken) suggests that Sylvanas herself was not planning on this.
I'm not saying that one way or the other is truth, I'm just saying it bears thinking upon. Bringing this back to the topic at hand, the fact that the RAS did start a revolt and the Horde had to fight to get it back under their control should be enough to show Wrynn that he was not deliberatedly attacked by the Horde (who, lest we forget, lost just as much, if not more in the attack). Wrynn lack the skills of a politician, he's a man with nothing more than revenge on his mind, who doesn't want to see the difference between a rogue band of terrorists and the actual Horde because it doesn't suit him too. When Daelin Proudmoore led a rogue faction against the Horde, did Thrall declare war on all the Alliance? No, because he actually has common sense and peaceful intentions. Wrynn desires war and so lacks both.
Aldheim Apr 26th 2009 3:07PM
You are COMPLETELY wrong, Jiggler.
The very first quest you ever get from the Royal Apothecary Society (I think), " A Recipe for Death" in Silverpine Forest:
"Arthas's numbers are overwhelming. But with a New Plague we could eradicate both the Scourge Army and the Human infestation once and for all."
The Forsaken, at the very least, intended to wipe out humanity as well.
Aldheim Apr 26th 2009 3:12PM
Wulfkin- the new Arthas novel makes it clear that Sylvanas knows all about the new plague and is quite happy with the fact that it will kill the living as well. She's not a nice woman. (I love her, but she's not a nice woman. *L*)
slimj091 Apr 26th 2009 4:05PM
"As such I wonder if Sylvanas really is hell-bent on wiping out *all* life."
she has shown in the past that she has no problem deceiving anyone to get her way. why anyone... including the other members of the horde would trust her, or the forsaken is beyond me.
make no mistake. her bloodlust to see all life on azeroth extinguished is surpassed only by her lust to see the lich kings head on a pike. once that is done i would bet my life that she will make her final move to destroy the rest of azeroth.
Shulkman Apr 26th 2009 2:18PM
Blasphemy.... Ugly=Evil=Horde. Blood elves aren't too bad looking, but the rest of them, ugly as sin, so they must be evil.
Karilyn Apr 26th 2009 4:23PM
By that logic. Draenai are obviously evil too.
Actually, that one seems to have a basis in reality. After all, something around 98+% of their race is aligned with the Burning Legion.
But nope, according to them, they aren't Eredar. Let's completely ignore the sins of their race, because they slapped a pretty new name of Draenai on themselves.
I think it's rather... hilarious, how "in denial" Draenais are, about the sins of their race.
LandMineHare Apr 26th 2009 2:18PM
Even though I completed this chain long ago...
"SPOILER ALERT" should be at the top.
Hellscreamy Apr 26th 2009 2:21PM
I have done the Wrathgate questline for the second time now (first time as Horde) and I think we'll see Garrosh fight Thrall again and then a all-out war against eachother will start. With this war, the new battleground will be introduced.
Zelu Apr 26th 2009 2:29PM
I’m willing to bet that Varian and Hellscream have been bewitched by Yogg at an attempt to destroy the alliances from within. I’m sticking to the idea of players being able to jump faction ships and create new alliances. How cool would that be? Being able to battle alongside horde as an alli or vs. versa.
Duck Knight Apr 26th 2009 2:40PM
I sincerely doubt the High Elves would ever agree to letting a Blood Elf rejoin the Alliance. The Night Elves might let Taurens in though.