Varian Wrynn is Right, Part II

Now some would argue that the Horde needs their symbols, and as long as they are peaceful, they should be allowed to use them, But even if you buy that argument (and I don't), the Horde has hardly been peaceful. In fact, they have very clearly been instigators in multiple conflicts. One of the prime hot spots is in Ashenvale.
The main argument for the Warsong Clan's presence there is that the Horde legitimately needs the Lumber. There's two problems with this argument. Firstly, the actions of the Warsong Clan in Ashenvale really can't be justified even if they "need" something there, and secondly, no-one involved even pretends this is about the lumber anymore.
The Warsong Clan first got entangled in Ashenvale by marching into it armed for war, with no idea of who was there or whether anyone else had prior claim to the lumber or the land. Horde apologists will argue that they didn't know it was taken, but this is hardly a legitimate claim. European settlers came to the Americas centuries ago, ostensibly to settle, and for that they needed resources. However, it is very nearly universally agreed that the resulting genocide against the native tribes is one of the darkest chapters of human history. In this case, the natives, the Night Elves, had the ability to fight back with much higher effectiveness than the Native Americans did against the Europeans. This in no way justifies Grom's response. Instead of falling back and waiting for further instructions from Thrall, he attacked the Night Elves with gusto, taking demonic blood to do so.
As soon as the Warsong knew the lumber and land was spoken for, they should have properly withdrawn, or sent emissaries. Since they did not, they very clearly became the unlawful aggressors. To compound this trouble, they no longer even pretend this is about Lumber. Warsong Generals and Tauren Hunters alike call Ashenvale, the ancestral land of the Night Elves, an "untamed wilderness" that rightfully belongs to the Horde invaders, and they now openly leave the lumber they cut out to rot, the very act of cutting down the trees now a sign of dominance and insult to nature and the Night Elves. This is eerily like the "manifest destiny" philosophy the US Army and west-bound settlers used to wipe out or displace the Native tribes they encountered.
In addition, Varian has seen this first hand. After he escaped from slavery, he came to Ashenvale and joined the Night Elves in fighting against the Horde, and saw them summon a massive Fire Elemental to burn the forest. In other words, he was witness to another act of malicious aggression by the supposed peaceful "new" Horde, and had one more reason to suspect that the Orcs were hardly being peaceable, but were clashing with the Alliance at every opportunity.
On the continuing activity of the New Horde: The RAS, the Wrathgate, and the Battle for Undercity
The RAS is one of the other major problem spots in the Horde. At the Wrathgate, their lethality and intent was unleashed, killing many Alliance soldiers, and once again, one of the greatest Generals of the Alliance. This time, it was Bolvar Fordragon, a general as close to Varian as a brother, and acting father figure to Anduin Wrynn in Varian's absence. This is the third time that the Horde has directly and maliciously taken a person close to Varian.
Horde Apologists will argue that the RAS at the Wrathgate were a rebellious splinter faction that should not be lumped in with the rest of the Horde, or even the rest of the Forsaken. Again, there is a problem with that. The RAS was doing exactly what they were founded to do at Wrathgate. Putress' mistake was not destroying the living. It was doing it for the wrong master.
The RAS, from the beginning, has planned to kill humanity. From the first moment that a newly minted Forsaken comes to Brill, he is put to work, not poisoning Scourge, but rather poisoning the living. At one point, Apothecary Johann has you concoct a disease to kill an Alliance citizen, a Dwarf. When he gives you the instructions, he tells you that "this is a subtle hint of what The Dark Lady has planned for the rest of Azeroth." Not "The Scourge." All of Azeroth. And note that he does not say "the RAS," he says "The Dark Lady." From the beginning levels, it is made very clear that Sylvanas is completely on board with the "Death to the Living" part of the RAS' philosophy.
Compounding this is the Forsaken's actions against the legitimate Alliance communities of Southshore and Hillsbrad fields. The army of the Undercity shows themselves dedicated to completely wiping out an innocent farming community in the most bloody way possible, and releases a vengeful Lich on Southshore itself. Mind you, there is every indication that the Forsaken started these engagements. At the very least, Hillsbrad is clearly a peaceful farming community.
Apothecary Lydon makes it very clear that the RAS wants to see everyone dead, and has you use his poisons on innocent Alliance farmers. When you report his findings to Faranell, Faranell is completely delighted in the work and sends you out to gather more reagents for Lydon. It is made abundantly clear that Lydon is not an aberration or part of a splinter group. The entirety of the RAS is as dedicated to killing the living as they are the dead.
If all of this was not enough to incriminate the RAS, the new Arthas novel quite definitely confirms that the RAS is looking to kill the living, and that Sylvanas is in on the deal. A scene set just before the start of the Wrath of the Lich King expansion places Sylvanas in the RAS's chambers, watching as Faranell administers a new plague strain to a young human girl and a stoic Forsaken man (Faranell insists the man is a criminal, but Sylvanas' internal dialogue implies that she doubts he really is but does not care either way). When both die retch and die horribly, she commends Faranell for his work and returns to her chambers, exulting that she may finally be able to kill both the Scourge and the Living with this new strain.
That's right, The Dark Lady is most definitely 100% on board with the killing.
With this in mind, it becomes clear that Putress' crime in the eyes of the Undercity and of Sylvanas was not aiming his Plague Barrels at the living, but doing it at an inopportune moment and for Varimathras rather than Sylvanas. Sylvanas herself is a Banshee, an undead being known for using deceit and charm, and was able to use her refugee caravan to move Thrall's sympathy to her. By all indications, neither Sylvanas nor Thrall has launched an investigation into the RAS' aims and how much Putress got away with and why.
Again, Varian himself has a front row seat to these atrocities. Leading the charge into Undercity, he sees the RAS' inner laboratories, and the horrendous machinery and experiments going on there, experiments that Putress carried out openly, and would have been seen as part of the RAS' stated mission apart from his secret allegiance to Varimathras. Thus, Varian sees that the treachery and maliciousness of the Horde extends not only to the Orcs, but possibly to the other member nations. And either way, he sees the Alliance suffering and dying. Whether this is ultimately because of Horde maliciousness or incompetence doesn't really matter. Either way, it has to be stopped.
Filed under: Horde, Alliance, Analysis / Opinion, Lore






Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
zhoaping Apr 26th 2009 4:35PM
The frist point you make is that Wrynns hatred is justifed, because he was enslaved by the orcs. But what you forget is Thrall was enslaved beaten and forced to fight by humans. He watched all of his people get treated like dogs by humans, and humans also cut off the head of the girl he loved. But I dont see Thrall running around like some slacked jawed racist. He trys to reason with the humans. He doesnt want to kill the many for the actions of the few.
Krolic Apr 26th 2009 4:45PM
If you'd been paying attention, you'd see that this article is about justifying Varian's opinions of the horde, not Thrall's of the alliance. Varian Wrynn has seen countless acts of aggression by the horde while Thrall has seen but a few. After all of the incidents, I'd be a bit stereotypical of any horde as well.
Amaxe Apr 26th 2009 11:09PM
According to the WoW lore on the website, Thrall was a *favored* slave. Any claims of abusive treatment sounds like a retcon to me
Zhiva Apr 26th 2009 4:39PM
To all Horde Apologists who think that symbols are just symbols:
if you were the one to lead Germany after WWII, would you name your organization "New Nazi" and use swastika as your crest?
oddacious Apr 26th 2009 4:42PM
That's a wildly inappropriate analogy, AND Godwin's law. They symbols the horde uses are part of their cultural heritage. After WWII happened, Germans did not drop everything that was German from their history and reinvent themselves to make the rest of the world feel more comfortable.
Karilyn Apr 26th 2009 4:50PM
Furthermore, the Swastika is hardly new.
It is a symbol that is over 3000 years old, and was not linked to Germany history at all. Oddly enough, it's primarily a symbol used in India by Hinduism and related religions. In fact, it's still used to this day by them!
Just because the symbol was used by some evil people, doesn't change the original meaning of the symbol... Which was... Get this...
The Swastika, was a "Good Luck" symbol.
HOL CRAP! True enough, it was and still the eastern europe and asian equivalent to the four leaf clover. That's right. The Nazi's primary symbolism, was comparable FOUR LEAF CLOVER.
If an country did evil things, under the sign of a Four Leaf Clover, would we suddenly consider all Four Leaf Clovers to be evil? Of course not!
Your ignorance is astonishing.
Karilyn Apr 26th 2009 4:44PM
The Warsong arguement is particular weak.
Of course it isn't about lumber anymore.
It's pretty simple, let me tell you a little about the history of Warsong...
1. Horde was trying to build some houses to live in.
2. Night Elves came along "Oh, my, god... you cut down a handful of trees! The only possible answer is mass genocide of your entire race!"
3. Large numbers of orcs were killed.
4. Orcs are now fighting back out of revenge, due to Night Elves which mercilessly slaughtered Orcs, over FREAKING TREES.
Dear god, how psychotic are Night Elves? Because of course, the life of a living being is inferior to that of a TREE!?!?!?!?!?
Is it any wonder why there is continued fighting in Ashenvale?
Krolic Apr 26th 2009 4:47PM
If I come to your back yard after having been at war with your people for years, cut down trees, laid concrete, and built a home, would you openly accept me into your land? I think not. Let's use our heads here.
Karilyn Apr 26th 2009 5:03PM
"If I come to your back yard after having been at war with your people for years, cut down trees, laid concrete, and built a home, would you openly accept me into your land? I think not. Let's use our heads here."
Problem with that. The Orcs and Night Elves had never been at war before. They had never even met before.
This is more comparable to being lost in the forest, cutting down a tree to try and build yourself a shelter to stay in for the night. Then along comes someone you've never met before who pulls out a gun and says, "You cut down a tree on my 500,000 square mile (my rough estimate to the size of Ashenvale) plot of forested land" and then shoots you in the face.
The Night Elves, were psychotic. There's no other word for that.
Thrashnak Apr 26th 2009 5:13PM
You're missing the point though. The argument by the author is that they found out the land was taken and attacked. The "reality" (since this is all fiction anyway, reality gets quotes) is that the NE's attacked as soon as they found out they were settling/logging. The author condemns the Horde for taking up arms and not sending emissaries, yet ignores the fact that NE's attacked the Warsong without any attempt at talks. They immediately took up arms and attacked. Hypocrisy at it's typical Alliance finest.
Duck Knight Apr 26th 2009 5:52PM
This land is my land,
it is not your land.
I brought a shotgun,
but you don't have one,
I'll blow your head,
if you don't get off.
This land is my-y property.
Chambote Apr 26th 2009 5:56PM
It's hard to take any of it seriously, considering that he takes his fashion cues from the Horde.
WoW Lore=cluster!@$#
wasp2151 Apr 27th 2009 1:57AM
For The Horde
Blackstar Apr 27th 2009 4:05AM
calm down guys, its a game. i admit the lores pretty interesting and you can get passionate about it but to you really need to use real life analogies that actualy invovled genocide. it has no comparrioson to real life. btw NIGHT ELF FTW
Elathil Apr 27th 2009 5:33AM
I'm pretty sure this article's been posted before in a more condensed form.
I'd argue that Varian doesn't hate the Horde as a whole. He hates the parts that are "Classic Horde" (Orcs, Trolls, and Tauren(guessing on that last one)) and he hates the Scourge (which the Forsaken came from). He apparently has no problem with Blood Elves, unlike the rest of the world, since he's got no problem with one following him around. ....Actually, are we SURE she's a Blood Elf and not just a High Elf kid with green eyes? 'Cause, seriously, everybody likes her. Considering what the Alliance thinks of Blood Elves, there's something seriously wrong with that.
And, honestly, if you want to get technical, he wasn't on his way to see Thrall when Rehgar captured him. At that point, he had already lost his memory and had no idea who he was or what he was doing there. At that point, he wasn't Varian Wyrnn, he was some random guy. And unless there's some place other than the comic that shows more of what happened while he was a gladiator, there's no real evidence that he was treated badly, I actually got the impression that he was relatively well-off for a gladiator. So, as far as I could tell from the comics, Lo'Gosh shouldn't really have a problem with Orcs as a whole.
Of course, when Varian A and Varian B became The True Varian, the only part of Lo'Gosh that remained was his fighting skills. Which is a little....there should be some influence, just a teeny bit.
But anyways, Varian Wyrnn isn't Right. Nor is he wrong. He is a racist jerk, but from his PoV it's 100% justified, but he IS still racist. From an outside PoV (neutral or Horde), Varian's a big problem.
Endless Apr 27th 2009 6:00AM
((I posted this in discussion thread for part I, and since those threads seem to have different groups of people talking, I'll post it here as well.))
Racism is just a projection of our previous experiences into our future behavior. That's as valid self-preservation mechanism as any other.
If I touch a hot stove, I'll remember the stove is hot and I won't be touching it again unless really really needed to.
If I get repeatedly assaulted by various groups of orcs, I'll remember that orcs can be dangerous and I'll do my best to avoid them. I probably won't be hating them as a whole, but I'll avoid them as a whole, having in mind that ANY of them can be a brutish, treacherous bastard. Unless they prove me otherwise, thus earning my respect.
Yes, it's a bit unfair towards those hypothetical decent orcs. But then again, respect isn't something to be given away for free. If your race has a violent history, or if it is reputed to have more than average ratio of criminals, treacherous bastards and no-goods, you'll just have to work harder in order to certify your own decency in eyes of others. It has been always like that. People were never born equal, and if somebody told you that, they lied. Only way people can become equal is by their own deeds. And that's something everyone should be allowed to do.
"I won't tolerate your kind, orc... but I'm willing to respect you as a person *regardless* of your orcishness, if you prove yourself first. You don't want to prove yourself? Well then, the Dark Portal is open again, feel free to grab your bag and return home." Like that.
Racism is justified, but only towards unknown people. Once they prove their worth, racism becomes redundant- just like wearing a plate armor in bathtub because you fear of crocolisks. And that's what's Wrynn's major fault. Not his racism towards orcs as a whole, but his unability to overcome his racism towards Thrall and other honorable members of orcish race.
((And to add - I play my chars on RP-PVP exactly like that. I never attacked anybody first, trying to get a reputation of decent orc / dwarf / whatever else I play at the moment. Funnily enough, it really works for most of people I meet. Some still attack on sight, just like Wrynn, but majority will wait for my action, and after my /greet and /truce, they /greet me back and go on with their matters. Our racism makes us cautious towards each other, but our basic decency prevents us from ruining each others' day and gives us a chance to show each other we are honorable persons. And thus far, nobody ever betrayed my trust by attacking me after we agreed on /truce.))
triku Apr 27th 2009 7:42AM
Please Daniel watch "The Boondock saints" and carefuly listen to what agent Smecker has to say about "symbology" . . .
KuroKorin Apr 29th 2009 4:42AM
I get a sense of ignorance about Horde politics from this article. Yes, the Forsaken plan to turn all of Azeroth into nihl, and they are allied to the Horde - but their relationship isn't as peachy peachy as you profess. Their relationship is one out of necessity, similar to that of the Night Elves and the Alliance. The New Horde is just that, NEW, and they need all the allies they can get.
Varian Wrynn's point of view is self-destructive. It destroyed Daelin Proudmoore and Zul'jin. It'll get to Wrynn and Garrosh. I don't blame him, I just hope he learns to cool his temper. The alliance and Horde can't be chummy chummy, that would end the game conflict, but a good leader is never so irrationally rash, ESPECIALLY facing a threat far greater than one's own forces.
Sports72Xtrm May 7th 2009 2:22AM
@KuroKorin
"I get a sense of ignorance about Horde politics from this article. Yes, the Forsaken plan to turn all of Azeroth into nihl, and they are allied to the Horde - but their relationship isn't as peachy peachy as you profess. Their relationship is one out of necessity, similar to that of the Night Elves and the Alliance. The New Horde is just that, NEW, and they need all the allies they can get.
Varian Wrynn's point of view is self-destructive. It destroyed Daelin Proudmoore and Zul'jin. It'll get to Wrynn and Garrosh. I don't blame him, I just hope he learns to cool his temper. The alliance and Horde can't be chummy chummy, that would end the game conflict, but a good leader is never so irrationally rash, ESPECIALLY facing a threat far greater than one's own forces."
The Horde also has Garrosh, an orc general that wants to conquer everything Alliance. If you are an Alliance leader, that's not someone you want to see being chummy with an undead witch who also has a grudge on humanity and is in possession of a death plague and an RAS. If the orcs call the shots, it could end up catastrophic with Garrosh in such a high position of power. Thrall really doesn't have a leg to stand on if he keeps saying the Horde isn't dangerous to the Alliance while his underlings run a muck. The whole unproactive "everybody just needs to chill out" viewpoint could be self destructive in itself. Like in real life, actions have consequences. So Thrall better be tighten that leash before things escalate any further.
rev087 May 7th 2009 1:35AM
That's right. We're the bad guys. Ever since Orcs and Humans, we're Teh Evul. Phear teh Hordez!