Varian Wrynn is Right

Among WoW players these days, it seems to be a popular opinion that King Varian Wrynn is a narrow minded short-sighted bigot who will lead the Alliance to ruin. This is an easy opinion to have, since he does show a considerable amount of anger at times when dealing with the Horde, and it's long been the general opinion that "no-one is truly evil" in the Horde and Alliance conflict. This is even the opinion of some of my fellow writers.
Here's my problem with this: The underlying causes of Varian Wrynn's anger are all unconditionally justified. Varian Wrynn is not angry at the Horde because of a series of misunderstandings and misinterpretations. He's been witness to or victim of multiple wrongdoings and atrocities perpetuated by the Horde time and time again, both the new Horde and the Old. Most, if not all of these times, the wrongdoings have been the result of outright maliciousness on the part of the Horde or its members, and in the case the so-called "peaceful" New Horde, there's been no sign whatsoever that Thrall is punishing or disciplining the perpetrators of these acts, and at the least, it is clear that he is not properly dealing with the consequences.
Regarding the First Fall of Stormwind
The first fall of Stormwind occurred when Varian Wrynn was a young man. So this was Varian's first encounter with the Orcs. Now mind you, this Orcish Horde had no justification for the war. They were not being driven from land, they were not starving or lost, nor were they addressing some ancient affront by the Human race. No, these Orcs were foreign invaders from another dimension
Consider, also, how they eventually razed Stormwind. They were able to do so by way of Garona, a Half-Orc assassin acting on behalf of the Horde. So Varian not only saw that the Orcish Army was a mindlessly violent army bent on the destruction of the human race, but that the one Orc who might have been different, the one Orc who appeared to have befriended humanity and proven that not how all Orcs were mindless beasts, betrayed them and proved herself an enemy to humanity by murdering Varian's beloved Father.
Horde apologists will tell you that Garona was acting under mind control. There's two problems with this. First, Varian has no real way of knowing Garona was mind-controlled at the time. All he knows is that an Orc gained the trust and friendship of his father, then used it to betray and murder him, causing the downfall of his kingdom and very nearly the downfall of all humanity. Secondly, Garona was still under the control of the Shadow Council, which was at the time solely an Orcish organization and the de facto leadership of the Horde. Either way, it was the Horde who killed his father and nearly wiped out his people.
On Varian's loss of his second father and Humanity's loss of their greatest Hero
Now, consider the aftermath of this incident. It was Anduin Lothar who saved what remained of Stormwind's people after the razing. He spirited Varian away to Lordaeron along with the rest of the survivors. Once in Stormwind, he replaced Llane as Varian's father figure and mentor, and worked with King Tereneas to establish the Alliance, the force that became the only hope of humans, dwarves, and elves against the Orcish Horde.
And yet, Anduin Lothar was killed in cold blood by the Orcs during their attempt to finish what they had started at Stormwind, killed by Orgrim Doomhammer himself.
Horde Apologists will argue that Orgrim Doomhammer was not under the influence of the Burning Legion, and that he was doing it in self-defense, but again, there's problems with those who insist on this. First, while Orgrim was a friend of Durotan and supposedly had heeded his warning that Blackhand and Gul'dan did not have the Horde's best interests in mind, he still allowed Gul'dan to live, employed his necromancers and the Death Knights in battle, and continued the Horde's genocidal campaign against the the Humans. This all strongly implies that Orgrim was more interested in his own personal power, or at least the dominance of the Orcs, rather than doing what was right.
Regardless, whether Orgrim was under the control of the Burning Legion or not, he was still acting as an enemy of the Alliance. In addition, while the forces of the Alliance did have the Horde pinned down at Blackrock Spire, there was no attempt by Doomhammer to parlay. Instead, he went out to kill.
A Note should be made here that in the original events of Warcraft II, Lothar came to Blackrock under a flag of truce to offer terms of surrender to Orgrim, but was ambushed and killed in Cold Blood by Orgrim's order. A retcon changed this to put Lothar and Orgrim in single combat, but the basic crimes of Orgrim remain, and later depictions of the battle (for example, in the d20 Warcraft games player's guides) have left the circumstances of the single combat murky enough that an ambush or deliberate drawing out of Lothar on the part of Orgrim may have still happened.
Regardless of the exact cause of Lothar's death, the point remains that Orgrim, no matter what his ultimate loyalties, continued the genocidal campaign of the Horde upon the Humans, Dwarves, and High Elves, and killed Anduin Lothar in the process. The Horde killed Humanity's greatest hero and Varian's mentor and second father during an unjust war of genocide against Varian's people, the people he was sworn to protect as King. Thus, the injustices perpetrated against Varian by the Horde continue to stack to unbelievable, unwieldy heights.
On the formation of the New Horde and their attitude toward the Alliance
Horde apologists will argue that all of these problems are the Old Horde, and that the New Horde should be treated as a new, separate entity. Once again, there are very definite problems with this view. Not only are most of the Orcs that make up the current Horde the same Orcs who were the rank and file and leaders of the Old Horde, the fact remains that the New Horde is still using many of the trappings and philosophies of the Old Horde, and is more and more committing new violent acts of their own.
To start with, on the most basic of levels, Thrall continues to use symbology and symbols for the Horde that are, in Human experience, most clearly and basically connected with the Old Horde that was attempting to wipe out the free peoples of Azeroth.
The very title "Warchief" is said to be an ancient title of the Orcs. However, current lore suggests that the title had fallen out of use, and was only taken up again by Rend Blackhand as a tool by Gul'dan to unite the clans as an army of darkness and death. Orgrim Doomhammer took over the title, but continued to use it as the head of a genocidal army. Thrall now claims the title, but the fact remains that, ancestral ties or not, it has been most recently used as a tool of the Burning Legion, only very vaguely tied in to the heritage of an old line of Warchiefs that may or may not have existed, a history that Thrall, as of yet, shows few signs of trying to uncover. When Thrall uses the title Warchief, it is most clearly being used to evoke the power and authority of Orgrim Doomhammer.
Yes, Thrall and the Horde still revere Orgrim Doomhammer, the bloody Warchief who killed Anduin Lothar, the savior of humanity. He is considered a Hero, so much that Thrall wears his armor and carries his hammer - the same Hammer that killed Lothar, or one very similar to it. Thrall calls for peace while wearing the armor and weapon of an Orc who very nearly destroyed Humanity, ostensibly to honor him. In addition, he calls his capital, the symbol of the power and might of the new Horde, Orgrimmar. It's not very hard to see why a human, dwarf, or High Elf might find this symbology a bit insulting, and wonder why the "New" Horde is so eager to honor the Orc who committed some of the worst atrocities of the "Old" Horde. It's even worse for Varian, considering how close he was to Lothar, who was murdered by Orgrim.
Orgrim certainly isn't the only one to be honored like this either. Many of the main generals and architects of the Human, Dwarven, and High Elven genocide are now revered and honored by the Horde, with little to no attempts made to acknowledge their faults and the very real war crimes they committed against the Alliance. Grom Hellscream was one of the first to drink the Demon's blood offered by Gul'dan and commited many atrocities against the Draenei, against humans in the second war, and against Night Elves later.. Kargath Bladefist likewise has had multiple landmarks and fortresses named in his honor, and when he was killed in Outland after revealing himself to be a continued servant of demonic powers, Nazgrel (Another war criminal of the "Old" Horde) spoke of him with respect and honor.
If you are trying to break away from the example of the Old Horde, embracing so much of it seems like a very counter-intuitive way of doing it, and Varian, having at least seen the way Orgrim himself is honored, has a right to at least be made uncomfortable by this.
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Reader Comments (Page 4 of 11)
Cathaoir Apr 26th 2009 4:55PM
Grom Hellscream is revered so highly because when Thrall approached him about throwing off the yoke of the Burning Legion and helping to free the orcs held in internment camps, he had the strength to do so. He's not revered for his actions under the effects of the bloodrage, but for his strength in escaping it and going on to be such a hero for the freedom of the orcs.
daerangûl Apr 26th 2009 4:59PM
"They were not being driven from land"
Well, Draenor was dying so they wanted to conquer a new land to live in, so...
Cathaoir Apr 27th 2009 8:54AM
The orcs didn't come to Azeroth because Draenor was dying. They came to Azeroth because the Burning Legion sent them there. If it weren't for the Burning Legion, the orcs would still be on Draenor, it would still be in one piece.
daerangûl Apr 28th 2009 9:22AM
Still, thanks to the warlocks the land turned to red sand. Many orcs thought they were going to Azeroth to get a ripe new world.
Catiya of Feathermoon Apr 26th 2009 5:03PM
To be fair: I am no horde apologist. I much perfer the aliance, though I play both.
Though your article is long and dismantles many of the counter arguments the Horde may bring to you, you choose to ignore the major argument. That is, "Thrall's been through as much crap at the hands of the Alliance as Varian has at the hands of the /Old/ Horde".
You also seem to praise what few acts of restrain Varian has shown, none of them compare to Thrall's overall sense of rationality.
The point is, when it comes down to it, as others have pointed out, the article should be called "Varian Wyrnn is Justified". In no way is behavior "right", it is irrational, it is barbaric and it may destroy the human race.
Omegan01 Apr 26th 2009 5:12PM
"Though your article is long and dismantles many of the counter arguments the Horde may bring to you, you choose to ignore the major argument. That is, "Thrall's been through as much crap at the hands of the Alliance as Varian has at the hands of the /Old/ Horde". "
In a word, that's bullshit. Thrall wasn't thrown in a cage, handed a weapon and told to fight to the death. He was raised, educated, even befriended by humans even though Blackmoore acted like a total douchebag.
(Let's ignore the fact that Adelas Blackmoore was regarded as untrustworthy and suspicious by most of his peers, while Reghar Earthfury is, apparently, a respected member of the Horde and on good terms with Thrall.)
At every step of the way, Varian was treated far worse during his captivity by the /NEW/ Horde than Thrall ever was by the Alliance.
Wasuremono Apr 26th 2009 5:11PM
It's not like both sides can't come up with some legitmate justifications. The problem with war is that it isn't going to solve anything. Vengence is probably the worst reason as it is attempting to solve something that is already over.
However, what is the point of lore in the game? It's a sitcom that goes back to how it was before the story started everytime. The players aren't even part of the story.
Suhas Apr 26th 2009 5:13PM
lol whats with all these varian fanboys popping up on different websites everyday, when 'battle for undercity' was still new, most of em were like - "varian sucks" and everything but now just coz some of these 'guys who write stuff for the internet' say that varian is cool, u get a whole new bunch of sheep like people blindly accepting stuff on the internet
even if varian had to go through a lot of difficulties, as a king he must learn to be more diplomatic, not like - "hey this guys green, hes got to be evil", what would u call a person who hates people for just being different coloured? its called "Racist", just coz people of some religion or race did some international crimes doesnt mean all the people of that religion and race are evil
as a child, thrall has faced more difficulty than wrynn, wrynn faced most of his difficulties as an adult and he should be knowing by now that all people arent cruel
varian had lots of caretakers even in the times of war during his childhood, who did thrall have? the only person who cared for him was killed right in front of him, and yet thrall grew up to be a sensible young orc while wrynn grew up with a twisted mind
whats varian gonna do next? invade orgrimmar claiming they have 'weapons of mass destruction'?
by the way blizzard paying u guys to make their character popular?
Trauma Apr 26th 2009 5:12PM
i'm not a horde apologist. i rolled horde because I wanted to play evil*. it annoyed me when I stopped doing quests against the allies and started doing them against some common enemy of us both. It annoyed me in Storm Peaks when I ended up doing a load of quests for a dwarf... a ginger one at that. I'd like to see the focus to come back to Alliance vs Horde again, rather than this hippy-ish crap of sharing Sanctuary cities with gnomes, that's been all-too prevalent in the expansions.
*well, that and when i was flicking through the different races on launch day, i saw the gnome model and wanted to distance myself as far from that as possible. ugh
oddacious Apr 26th 2009 5:14PM
Horde isn't evil and I think you have the wrong game.
muffin_of_chaos Apr 26th 2009 8:23PM
The Forsaken are in general pretty evil, as are supposedly Trolls. But you're right, since both factions basically do the exact same thing, there's really no way to act "evil."
It all really comes down to Good (the Alliance generally) vs. Badass (the Horde). Thrall has the Horde do good things, but they do it with much less boring motives.
Horde even took High Elves and made them somewhat badass (at least as badass as they could be without becoming less purty).
Rainhoove Apr 26th 2009 5:13PM
This article was about one thing: getting clicks on this website. Way to feed the troll people (me too I guess).
Sleutel Apr 26th 2009 5:13PM
Germany was the aggressor in World War I.
Then, after they'd finally recovered from the smackdown we gave them... they tried it again in World War II.
Clearly, Germans are evil, and we should never cooperate with them. In fact, they deserve to be wiped from the face of the earth!
DrowNoble Apr 26th 2009 5:24PM
Unfortunately Daniel seems to be coming from a pro-Alliance biased point of view. King Wrynn's actions are very self-centered and his beliefs are questionable at best and flat out wrong at worst.
He blames the orcs specifically for his gladiator experience. Sorry Wyrnn but the orcs don't run the Areans, the goblins do. As King he should obviously know that the goblins aren't part of the Horde. Their 4 towns in Azeroth cater to both sides after all.
He blames Thrall specifically for wrongdoings of the Horde. When Stormwind was razed, Thrall wasn't even in the Horde. His ENTIRE clan was banished from the Horde for Durotan questioning the actions of Gul'dan and the Shadow Council. Unless Wrynn's advisors are totally incompetent, they would of told him that this Horde is different than the old one due to its new leadership. Jaina specifically would of told the King that without the Horde's help, we would of lost at Hyjal and Azeroth would be a burned out cinder.
Remember according to the Missing Diplomat quest line for Alliance, Thrall and Wrynn were supposed to meet at Theramore for a summit when the King got kidnapped. Apparently Wrynn's amnesia extends back to forgetting why he was doing that in the first place.
Wrynn is going to do what is best for Stormwind and no one else. He doesn't care about Scourge, Yogg-Saron or the Legion. If burning down Ironforge would rid Azeroth of the Horde, Wrynn would be there with 2 torches in hand I have no doubt.
Torumin Apr 26th 2009 5:47PM
This.
Varian is a bigot and an asshole. Thrall's past was much worse, and yet he came out stronger. He's an optimist. Varian's a pessimist. Would you rather have a leader who looks to the future or one who is constantly entrenched in the past?
Varian needs to look past his own emotions and do what is best for his people, not himself. A selfish bigot is all he is, he's no better than Garrosh.
Zanathos Apr 27th 2009 1:20AM
If your argument is that Thrall's past is worse than Varian's, you've either chosen to ignore what you don't want to think about or simply don't know of what you speak.
Ryan Apr 27th 2009 2:39AM
"Unfortunately Daniel seems to be coming from a pro-Alliance biased point of view. King Wrynn's actions are very self-centered and his beliefs are questionable at best and flat out wrong at worst."
Everything Varian "believes" is right. It may not be the best action from the viewers standpoint, but in his mind it is perfectly reasonable.
"He blames the orcs specifically for his gladiator experience. Sorry Wyrnn but the orcs don't run the Areans, the goblins do. As King he should obviously know that the goblins aren't part of the Horde. Their 4 towns in Azeroth cater to both sides after all."
This could be because he was bought by an Orc, fought in an Orc city and because the matches were mostly attended by Orcs.
"He blames Thrall specifically for wrongdoings of the Horde. When Stormwind was razed, Thrall wasn't even in the Horde. His ENTIRE clan was banished from the Horde for Durotan questioning the actions of Gul'dan and the Shadow Council. Unless Wrynn's advisors are totally incompetent, they would of told him that this Horde is different than the old one due to its new leadership. Jaina specifically would of told the King that without the Horde's help, we would of lost at Hyjal and Azeroth would be a burned out cinder."
First of all, Varian has no way of knowing that Thrall's clan was banished. Secondly, the Hordes action at Hyjal is as much selfish as it is noble, since the Legion and Scourge would have killed them all equally. Also, the battle was ultimatly won by the Night Elves and the Wisps, not the Horde.
"Remember according to the Missing Diplomat quest line for Alliance, Thrall and Wrynn were supposed to meet at Theramore for a summit when the King got kidnapped. Apparently Wrynn's amnesia extends back to forgetting why he was doing that in the first place."
He remebers going for peace talks. He also remembers going again to find his slave master at Thrall's right hand, while the bloodthirsty son of a murdering invader stood at his left. Finally he remembers the Orcish assassin who tried to kill him at said second peace talk
"Wrynn is going to do what is best for Stormwind and no one else. He doesn't care about Scourge, Yogg-Saron or the Legion. If burning down Ironforge would rid Azeroth of the Horde, Wrynn would be there with 2 torches in hand I have no doubt."
He cares about the ALLIANCE as a whole. He considers it bad for the Alliance to ally itself with a faction that has killed a massive number of his troops in a surprise attack during a supposed truce.
One thing people have to remember about the Wrathgate is that Varian does not know everything. He does not know that the RAC betrayed the Horde. After killing Putress, he hears Sylvannas and Thrall in the throne room. He has no idea that they had to fight their way into the city. As far as he knows they have been siting there the whole time, patting each other on the back at a job well done for killing the Alliance
miko Apr 27th 2009 3:18AM
except i very much doubt Ironforge would burn given its hewn from solid rock and uses molten lava as interior decoration
muffin_of_chaos Apr 27th 2009 4:09AM
Varian has been gone for too long, not seeing how much good the Horde has done throughout vanilla and TBC. I guess he just some really, really shitty advisers who don't tell him anything, that maybe encourage him to think that the Horde hasn't sacrificed much to work together with the Alliance.
So there's a possibility he's only stupid in an active, verb sense. Not a passive one.
I still consider active stupidity stupid though.
DrowNoble May 3rd 2009 11:33PM
Wrynn probably isn't stupid. If he were, that would be the easiest way to explain his irrational actions. I find this to be very unlikely though.
Could he be getting bad information? This is more likely. Yogg-Saron seems to be implied as being, not only "a" death god, but a master manipulator. After all Yogg corrupted Deathwing, and very well could be causing all the problems which are distracting the 5 Dragonflights. Manipulating a mere human? Cake walk for an Old God. Although never mentioned ingame, Onyxia was influencing the events in the comics when Wrynn was in the Arenas. We all know the Black Dragonflight is basically an arm of Yogg-Saron.
What is a tad confusing is that, as mentioned ingame, only 4 years passed from the end of WC3:FT to WoW. So Wrynn would of been well aware of the fact that the Horde was crucial to the success vs the Legion. He had just been kidnapped when WoW launched. Supposedly he was going to meet with Thrall at Theramore for a summit.
Simple version is I think Blizzard just wanted a prominent antagonist. Lich King and Malygos are the Big Baddies but are clear-cut "bad". Wrynn can potentially do a LOT more damage but with "good" intentions.