Varian Wrynn is Right

Among WoW players these days, it seems to be a popular opinion that King Varian Wrynn is a narrow minded short-sighted bigot who will lead the Alliance to ruin. This is an easy opinion to have, since he does show a considerable amount of anger at times when dealing with the Horde, and it's long been the general opinion that "no-one is truly evil" in the Horde and Alliance conflict. This is even the opinion of some of my fellow writers.
Here's my problem with this: The underlying causes of Varian Wrynn's anger are all unconditionally justified. Varian Wrynn is not angry at the Horde because of a series of misunderstandings and misinterpretations. He's been witness to or victim of multiple wrongdoings and atrocities perpetuated by the Horde time and time again, both the new Horde and the Old. Most, if not all of these times, the wrongdoings have been the result of outright maliciousness on the part of the Horde or its members, and in the case the so-called "peaceful" New Horde, there's been no sign whatsoever that Thrall is punishing or disciplining the perpetrators of these acts, and at the least, it is clear that he is not properly dealing with the consequences.
Regarding the First Fall of Stormwind
The first fall of Stormwind occurred when Varian Wrynn was a young man. So this was Varian's first encounter with the Orcs. Now mind you, this Orcish Horde had no justification for the war. They were not being driven from land, they were not starving or lost, nor were they addressing some ancient affront by the Human race. No, these Orcs were foreign invaders from another dimension
Consider, also, how they eventually razed Stormwind. They were able to do so by way of Garona, a Half-Orc assassin acting on behalf of the Horde. So Varian not only saw that the Orcish Army was a mindlessly violent army bent on the destruction of the human race, but that the one Orc who might have been different, the one Orc who appeared to have befriended humanity and proven that not how all Orcs were mindless beasts, betrayed them and proved herself an enemy to humanity by murdering Varian's beloved Father.
Horde apologists will tell you that Garona was acting under mind control. There's two problems with this. First, Varian has no real way of knowing Garona was mind-controlled at the time. All he knows is that an Orc gained the trust and friendship of his father, then used it to betray and murder him, causing the downfall of his kingdom and very nearly the downfall of all humanity. Secondly, Garona was still under the control of the Shadow Council, which was at the time solely an Orcish organization and the de facto leadership of the Horde. Either way, it was the Horde who killed his father and nearly wiped out his people.
On Varian's loss of his second father and Humanity's loss of their greatest Hero
Now, consider the aftermath of this incident. It was Anduin Lothar who saved what remained of Stormwind's people after the razing. He spirited Varian away to Lordaeron along with the rest of the survivors. Once in Stormwind, he replaced Llane as Varian's father figure and mentor, and worked with King Tereneas to establish the Alliance, the force that became the only hope of humans, dwarves, and elves against the Orcish Horde.
And yet, Anduin Lothar was killed in cold blood by the Orcs during their attempt to finish what they had started at Stormwind, killed by Orgrim Doomhammer himself.
Horde Apologists will argue that Orgrim Doomhammer was not under the influence of the Burning Legion, and that he was doing it in self-defense, but again, there's problems with those who insist on this. First, while Orgrim was a friend of Durotan and supposedly had heeded his warning that Blackhand and Gul'dan did not have the Horde's best interests in mind, he still allowed Gul'dan to live, employed his necromancers and the Death Knights in battle, and continued the Horde's genocidal campaign against the the Humans. This all strongly implies that Orgrim was more interested in his own personal power, or at least the dominance of the Orcs, rather than doing what was right.
Regardless, whether Orgrim was under the control of the Burning Legion or not, he was still acting as an enemy of the Alliance. In addition, while the forces of the Alliance did have the Horde pinned down at Blackrock Spire, there was no attempt by Doomhammer to parlay. Instead, he went out to kill.
A Note should be made here that in the original events of Warcraft II, Lothar came to Blackrock under a flag of truce to offer terms of surrender to Orgrim, but was ambushed and killed in Cold Blood by Orgrim's order. A retcon changed this to put Lothar and Orgrim in single combat, but the basic crimes of Orgrim remain, and later depictions of the battle (for example, in the d20 Warcraft games player's guides) have left the circumstances of the single combat murky enough that an ambush or deliberate drawing out of Lothar on the part of Orgrim may have still happened.
Regardless of the exact cause of Lothar's death, the point remains that Orgrim, no matter what his ultimate loyalties, continued the genocidal campaign of the Horde upon the Humans, Dwarves, and High Elves, and killed Anduin Lothar in the process. The Horde killed Humanity's greatest hero and Varian's mentor and second father during an unjust war of genocide against Varian's people, the people he was sworn to protect as King. Thus, the injustices perpetrated against Varian by the Horde continue to stack to unbelievable, unwieldy heights.
On the formation of the New Horde and their attitude toward the Alliance
Horde apologists will argue that all of these problems are the Old Horde, and that the New Horde should be treated as a new, separate entity. Once again, there are very definite problems with this view. Not only are most of the Orcs that make up the current Horde the same Orcs who were the rank and file and leaders of the Old Horde, the fact remains that the New Horde is still using many of the trappings and philosophies of the Old Horde, and is more and more committing new violent acts of their own.
To start with, on the most basic of levels, Thrall continues to use symbology and symbols for the Horde that are, in Human experience, most clearly and basically connected with the Old Horde that was attempting to wipe out the free peoples of Azeroth.
The very title "Warchief" is said to be an ancient title of the Orcs. However, current lore suggests that the title had fallen out of use, and was only taken up again by Rend Blackhand as a tool by Gul'dan to unite the clans as an army of darkness and death. Orgrim Doomhammer took over the title, but continued to use it as the head of a genocidal army. Thrall now claims the title, but the fact remains that, ancestral ties or not, it has been most recently used as a tool of the Burning Legion, only very vaguely tied in to the heritage of an old line of Warchiefs that may or may not have existed, a history that Thrall, as of yet, shows few signs of trying to uncover. When Thrall uses the title Warchief, it is most clearly being used to evoke the power and authority of Orgrim Doomhammer.
Yes, Thrall and the Horde still revere Orgrim Doomhammer, the bloody Warchief who killed Anduin Lothar, the savior of humanity. He is considered a Hero, so much that Thrall wears his armor and carries his hammer - the same Hammer that killed Lothar, or one very similar to it. Thrall calls for peace while wearing the armor and weapon of an Orc who very nearly destroyed Humanity, ostensibly to honor him. In addition, he calls his capital, the symbol of the power and might of the new Horde, Orgrimmar. It's not very hard to see why a human, dwarf, or High Elf might find this symbology a bit insulting, and wonder why the "New" Horde is so eager to honor the Orc who committed some of the worst atrocities of the "Old" Horde. It's even worse for Varian, considering how close he was to Lothar, who was murdered by Orgrim.
Orgrim certainly isn't the only one to be honored like this either. Many of the main generals and architects of the Human, Dwarven, and High Elven genocide are now revered and honored by the Horde, with little to no attempts made to acknowledge their faults and the very real war crimes they committed against the Alliance. Grom Hellscream was one of the first to drink the Demon's blood offered by Gul'dan and commited many atrocities against the Draenei, against humans in the second war, and against Night Elves later.. Kargath Bladefist likewise has had multiple landmarks and fortresses named in his honor, and when he was killed in Outland after revealing himself to be a continued servant of demonic powers, Nazgrel (Another war criminal of the "Old" Horde) spoke of him with respect and honor.
If you are trying to break away from the example of the Old Horde, embracing so much of it seems like a very counter-intuitive way of doing it, and Varian, having at least seen the way Orgrim himself is honored, has a right to at least be made uncomfortable by this.
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Reader Comments (Page 7 of 11)
Grakaron Apr 26th 2009 10:38PM
I love all this Alliance Prince, and Arthas destroyed this and that well who was he working for, oh right the Lich King, and who was that? Oh right Nerzhul, an orc. Yep i totally see the reason why the Forsaken hate humans instead of the Orc that made them that way, or the Orc that destroyed Silvermoon. Its ignoring lore like that that makes the idiots screaming For the HORDE! all the more enjoyable to laugh at
Plastic Rat Apr 26th 2009 11:09PM
@ DANIEL WHITCOMB
One of the best articles I've read on wowinsider in ages. Well written, well researched and well stated. Kudos.
The comments however have been the most depressing thing I've read in a long time. Apparently the majority of WoW players are a bunch of mindless lemmings who simply follow the latest set of sanctioned beliefs.
Mob mentality dictates that 'The Horde are Cool!' and thus the great bellowing mass stampedes off in that direction. "Varian is Emo!" and you have a bunch of barely literate, baying morons telling you that 'Varian Sux!!!' no matter what argument you come up with.
Gods, if this represents a cross section of humanity, no wonder the world is such a mess.
Warpaw Apr 26th 2009 11:34PM
I think people are forgetting that these are made up characters, and will act however it is written. It's pretty obvious what route Blizzard is taking in this storyline, and it's pretty obvious that both Hellscream and Varian are opposites sides of the same coin; or perhaps "the same side of that coin", would be more appropriate.
They are basic mirror images by the fact, they are both foolish leaders, extremely aggressive, and will be Blizzard's story tools to build a more faction versus faction hostility. And judging from the posts here, it's already worked.
Anyone here that used to play pretend in thier back woods made a character exactly like Varian. An ill tempered tough guy with attitude, but justified by is hard past. Nothing, new, deep or right about it.
The only question out there is; what generic route will Blizzard take it? Will he succumb to his rage and be the next big baddy? DarthVaderise himself and do the right thing in the end? Or end up being Hellscream's brother...
Whatever happens I wouldn't waste any more time on such a shallow generic character that won't even be alive in the next expansion.
Orrine Apr 27th 2009 5:35AM
Try to think a different way now: the act in a similar ways, but their motivations differ. Garrosh is up to conquest, Varian is up to retribution. Isn't it this way?
Pulyx Apr 26th 2009 11:52PM
You guys are ignoring a very important thing...
It's not just about making sense...
It's about setting new grounds for a Warcraft 4 or a World of Warcraft2.
If the alliance and Horde aren't in direct conflict, the game CANNOT HAPPEN. WHo would we fight ? Burning Legion ? Weird factions ?
Nope.
Warcraft has always been about Horde X Alliance.
The background for it has lots of depth
But Warcraft: ORCS AND HUMANS was called that for a reason.
Pulyx Apr 26th 2009 11:54PM
In my opinion,
Varian is a good character.
All the alliance leaders, except maybe Fandral Staghelm, are all WAY TOO pondered and diplomatic.
Varian is much more hands on than any other racial leader.
Like they said in the post. He has his reasons to be pissed and unfortunately, or fortunately i dunno, he has the means to get back at the people who wronged him so many times.
Too bad for the horde.
Predictament of the night: Garrosh with throw a coup against Thrall and WIN.
And there you go, Warcraf 4 is in the makings.
Bikhai Apr 27th 2009 12:08AM
Seems like those who read this article are forced into one of two categories: Alliance supporter or "horde apologist." It's nice to know that you can't support the Horde without having mud slung into your face
I won't apologize for what happened in the story arc's past. Orcs have done some bad things, as have trolls, and as have undead. And likewise have humans done some bad things. I'm not deep into the lore of the novels, but even looking at in-game material, was there not an entire BC instance dedicated to Alliance incarceration of orcs, Thrall included, in a work [read: slave] camp? Did the Horde not also have people killed by the scourge attack at the Wrathgate? And as several people have pointed out, did Thrall and Sylvanas not lead an assault on Undercity to oust Varimathras and the scourge rule (immediately before Wrynn entered to hurl threats at him for his effort)?
There is, after all, a clear distinction between the scourge and the Horde, and I should like anyone who disagrees on that point to inform me of the last time Thrall and the Lich King sat down together for brunch.
Fact is, Wrynn is bad news, and so is Garrosh. Justification is irrelevant. A ruler should lead his people, not carry out a vendetta against the people trying to reform their ways and maintain peace. The role of King should be one of diligence and reverence, not one of revenge-seeking and discrimination.
"Green skinned people are evil" is an atrocious display of racism - one which would land any person irl the role of social pariah if they were to repeat the equivalent. What would be the public reaction be if President Obama came out tomorrow and said that all white people in the US were to be exterminated because they were descended from slave-owners? Be serious about this. Smart asses and trolls need not respond.
My view on the layout of the current situation is that Thrall and Jaina are on the same page, and Wrynn and Garrosh are somewhere off in their own little world. Thrall and Jaina would lead a path toward peace, but I'm sure in the scheme of things, that path is on the other end of a full out conflict betweeen Garrosh and Wrynn.
Bikhai Apr 27th 2009 12:17AM
I'll add that there is a distinction between the new Horde and the Burning Legion as well. Most of the Old Horde wrong-doings were done when the orcs were under the control of the Burning Legion. How you can hold someone who is under demonic control responsible for their own actions is beyond me. Seems a bit like blaming someone in AB for jumping off Lumber Mill while Mind Controlled.
miko Apr 27th 2009 2:46AM
it wasn't a 'slave' camp it was an Internment camp.
as such it was simply a method of containment for security exactly the same as the camps run by the Allys during WW2 (for example the US camps holding Japanese-, German- and Italian-Americans)
it was the alternative to slaughtering every single one of them after their utter defeat at Blackrock, a decision that split the Alliance of Lordaeron.
the Mages of Dalaran under the leadership of Antonidas were even trying to find a cure for their unknown magical 'ailment'.
the only reason any of those in the Internment camps lived was because of the compassion of the species they now revile.
Bikhai Apr 27th 2009 3:28AM
Well I won't debate the semantics, suffice it to say they were imprisoned by the Alliance against their will (and, if you want to continue the analogy to US internment camps, unjustly).
And US internment camps were really a horrible thing, when you get right down to it. I'd urge you to go do some reading on the condition of living of the people detained there and then rethink whether you want to draw any parallels between them and the Alliance's detainment of the orcs. Not quite as altruistic as you'd like to think.
Kyrt Apr 27th 2009 4:19AM
"Well I won't debate the semantics, suffice it to say they were imprisoned by the Alliance against their will (and, if you want to continue the analogy to US internment camps, unjustly)."
You think the Alliance would have been better if they'd ...done what exactly?
The Orcs had just led an unprovoked invasion of Azeroth, Khaz Modan, Qual'Thalas, Lordaeron, Arathor and others.
They were on a mission of racial genocide and were defeated.
What was the Alliance to do with them?
Let them go? Kill them all? Send them home?
Interning them in work camps...and by and large, they were work camps...was perhaps the only viable option open to them barring killing each and every single orc.
As for being imprisoned agaisnt their will - most imprisonings are. Are you stating that this wasn't justified?
EJL
muffin_of_chaos Apr 27th 2009 4:24AM
The internment camps were fine. And it is every prisoner's right to try to escape without being considered evil. It is also their right to be angry at the Alliance for putting them in such camps. They wouldn't be "right" in exterminating the Alliance after such an event. And the Alliance isn't "right" for wanting to exterminate them. It's not unfair, but it isn't right, and it's definitely stupid.
miko Apr 27th 2009 4:58AM
The Alliance were going to Massacre them to a man on the field of battle after Blackrock right there and then.
Turalyon himself declared "(To Doomhammer) You will stand trial for your crimes. You will stand in Capital City, in chains as the leaders of the Alliance decide your fate, and there you will acknowledge your full defeat. (Turns to the other orcs) But you will not be so lucky. You will die here, with the rest of your kind, and this world will be rid of your taint forever!"
if i remember correctly it was the Knights of the Silver Hand who as holy men initially objected on the field.
then it went political and led to the partial break up of the Alliance of Lordaeron (Gilneas for example wanted them all dead and refused to pay for the upkeep of the camps, this argument led to one of the most powerful human nations going into isolation)
as for RL references to Interment camps no they aren't nice, but they unfortunately things like them become necessary in certain extreme situations. ideals are ideals but in the end there are finite limits to level of threat a population will put up with from a sub group (and we are unfortunately very close to discovering stuff like that again)
Zanathos Apr 27th 2009 11:07AM
@Bikhai
Wow, are you serious? The only similarity in the two camps is the word "Internment", and that they interned. The chasm between the two is so vast I do not believe anyone could non-trollingly compare them.
The Japanese-American Internment camps of WW2 are near unanimously considered a bad thing in contemporary times, a sad case of paranoia causing a government to single out and imprison their CITIZENS for little reason.
The horde were not citizens of the alliance who were held out of paranoia. They were defeated members of an alien invasion force. At the end of warcraft 2, the Alliance had 3 options.
1. Execute all remaining orcs. Practical, but brutal (and would have eliminated the possibility of WC3)
2. Allow the captured remains of the Horde to go free. Merciful to the prisoners perhaps, but extremely foolish. There was no place for the horde to settle in the Eastern Kingdoms without their invading someone else, and allowing an enemy to invade your neighbors and build up their strength would be a poor choice at best.
3. Intern remnants of the army. Merciful for them and safer for you.
Any further analogies between this and real word events are going to be similarly worthless. There is no comparison. There was no orcish nation for prisoners to be released to. If an alien invasion forced had crashed on earth, and slaughtered a large part of the population of humanity before they were checked and captured, that would be an analogous situation. Conflicts between two human nations are not.
Bikhai Apr 27th 2009 11:51AM
@Zanatos - The idea of paranoia governing decisions still holds water. The orcs lost their will to fight in the camps as it was. Why keep imprisoned someone who has no will to fight?
Ultimately, the motives behind placing orcs in internment camps is not the topic of this post, nor is it the topic of my original reply. You're going to have your opinion regardless of what I say, and vice versa.
As I said in my original post, the orcs have done some pretty bad things in their past, as have members of the alliance. The idea that the Wrynn is any more justified or any more right than Thrall is ridiculous. Everyone in this game has suffered - it's the overlying theme of the game. Thrall has attempted to overcome his adversity while Wrynn has become blinded with rage by his.
Aubrecia Apr 27th 2009 12:20AM
Seriously?
No, SERIOUSLY?
If you watched the Ulduar trailer and came out of it with any impression besides "even Blizz thinks Varian Wrynn is a dick," then I'd politely inquire as to what version of the trailer you watched. The entire thing was practically a demonstration of how Garrosh and Varian are the face of the past of Azeroth, and people like Jaina, Thrall, and god -forbid Rhonin Sue are the face of the future.
I'm actually pretty sure Blizz is building this tension toward a climax -- possibly in the mystery 3.0.2 patch and possibly in the Icecrown patch. But they're putting way too much work into showing how WRONG Varian is to not be going somewhere with it.
Varian has been shown goodness of the Horde just as well as evil. Thrall hasn't lifted a finger against Varian. But Varian continues to be a short-sighted idiot who thinks he knows what's best for the world -- and believes that "best" comes down to genocide.
The whole message of WOTLK so far is "How far can you go and still be a hero, not a villain?" Sure, Garrosh has failed that test.
But so has Varian.
Omegan01 Apr 27th 2009 12:36AM
"Varian has been shown goodness of the Horde"
Where?
Brian Apr 27th 2009 12:44AM
If you ask me, the major point to take away from this article is that it's worth rethinking the widely held opinion that Varian is just a brainless "emo" character. Sure, he's kind of a jerk and kind of shortsighted if you ask me...but he's a good character, if not an actually good person.
WoW needs conflict, and conflict in WoW is interesting when it makes sense. You might not agree with Varian, but as this article makes clear, you can definitely make the argument that he could be justified in his actions.
Part of the problem with early Warcraft lore is that it was stupidly one sided. The Horde was evil, and the ONLY reason you would ever side with them was to be evil. They had no justification for anything they did, except maybe demon corruption...which they willingly submitted to. That's a boring base plot for building a huge amount of story on, which is why the new Alliance vs Horde conflict is supposed to have much more complexity to it.
If it was just Thrall and Jaina running the entire show, with no other characters influencing events, things would be a lot simpler and a lot "better"...but the game wouldn't be better. Or if it was just stupidly one sided conflict, where one side was obviously in the right and the other side was obviously in the wrong, that would be boring and unfair to the folks who play for the "wrong" side.
JrSlacker Apr 27th 2009 1:20AM
@Omegan
Rhekgar didn't treat Varian like dirt when he was in the arenas, and when they escaped, he had a perfect opportunity to go after him and re-capture him, and he didn't. Varian, wants nothing to do with them. Jaina, had to go head over heals to try and even get Varian to talk to Thrall, and Onyexia and the Defias Brotherhood messed that all up, IMAGINE THAT humans screwing over humans, sounds like the Orcs as well.
If I recall it was Varian who attacked first in Undercity, and it was Jaina to ask him to stop, did he listen no?
Garrosh and Varian, like others have said are the "old hatreds", and act very similiar to Grom Hellscream.
Orcs have done their wrong doings, it is why they do not care about looking at the past, the Orcs know what they have done, and they don't expect sympathy or look back at it as dishonorable, they continue with the future, just as Jaina is. It is people like Varian, who are no different from Admiral Proudmoore.
Omegan01 Apr 27th 2009 1:53AM
"Rhekgar didn't treat Varian like dirt when he was in the arenas,"
BS. Reghar grabbed an amnesiac off the (metaphorical) street, threw him in a pit and forced him to fight to the death for his own profit. That's pretty much the definition of getting treated like dirt.
"and when they escaped, he had a perfect opportunity to go after him and re-capture him, and he didn't."
And? So? Therefore? What is that supposed to prove? Yes, the orcs have a fetishistic pro-warrior culture, we know this, the fact that Reghar decided to treat Lo'gash as something other that property after he'd put his life on the line a dozen times doesn't mean a damn thing.
"Varian, wants nothing to do with them. Jaina, had to go head over heals to try and even get Varian to talk to Thrall,"
Yes, that's right. He TALKED. Twice now (once before his escapade, and once after) Varian has proved his willingness to go beyond his instinctive hatred and say "okay, let's talk." It's not his fault shit keeps getting messed up.
"Onyexia and the Defias Brotherhood messed that all up, IMAGINE THAT humans screwing over humans, sounds like the Orcs as well."
Since when is Onyxia human?