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4-26-2009 @ 4:12PM
Regardless of whether you like him, he is a great character.While some say he is racist, evil or just plain mean, he has brought an interesting development to out static universe.
4-26-2009 @ 6:08PM
I will definite agree with you there.Sadly, it's fairly obvious from the artwork for him, that he's just another in the long line of "Good guys gone insane and become raid bosses"Look at his artwork, it's near identical to that for Illidan, Arthas, and Kael'thas, and isn't remotely close to the artwork used for heroes on either side of faction lines.He IS a villain. Give it one or two expansions, and we'll be killing Varian Wrynn as the last boss in a raid instance.Shame.
4-26-2009 @ 8:08PM
No, the Horde has Not been "extremely aggressive." Had they been, the Alliance would probably be extinguished from the planet.Anyway, Wrynn isn't extra-impulsive or emo or whatever. He's just stupid.Thrall has a much, MUCH harder job than Wrynn. The Alliance are extremely easy to control, just ask Onyxia. Let's see what Thrall has to do...1) Reign in the long-held traditions of extreme violence andbarbarism of the trolls2) Somehow marshal the Forsaken's energies towards fighting for what is right, which he Succeeds In Doing despite the fact that they are Undead and want to kill everyone; the fact that they kill a few living people now and then for experiments only means they aren't waging war on the Alliance and inflictingincredibly massive casualties, which they would do without Thrall (and may someday do, but until then Thrall's the only barrier between them)3) Forget the fact that he has had to watch ALL of his people suffer for years in internment camps4) Rule the orcs, who have only known war and bloodlust, thinking of Azerothians as their enemies, for dozens of years5) Get the whole Horde to fight for the greater good and put aside their differences with the Alliance, which to a large part he does, somehow putting in an equal share of the burden of saving the entire world--that isn't yet truly their ownThrall has been so successful, it's freaking AMAZING, and when he fails at all, such as when he's betrayed by the Forsaken, he takes it personally, despite no obligation to be the kind of diplomat that he is.If Varian wasn't Stupid, he would not expect the Horde to be like an ancient alliance of civilized races, would see how little the New Horde has actually attacked the Alliance since Thrall started leading it, and see that Thrall tries to quell the manifestation of the New Horde's old feelings--Garrosh.Varian wants open war with the New Horde, costing countless lives, rather than letting Thrall continue to try to get the Horde into a new shape, which takes time and will cost very, very few lives comparatively.It's hard to believe the number of posts here of people that want to believe that you can compare the Horde as a government with the Alliance. You can't assume that Thrall has the same sort of tight power over his people as Wrynn, because the Horde is quite simply a horde. And if you think that this lack of initial discipline--read: that can only be built over time or else you get rebellion--means the Horde should be eliminated, like Wrynn does...well, you should think about it some more.So Varian's just very shortsighted, very arrogant, and very stupid. Probably because of his experiences.
4-26-2009 @ 9:15PM
I completely agree with muffin_of_chaos on that one.The politics of the Horde aren't nearly any closer to Alliance.And while Alliance has some sub-leaders, Warchief is a title of "one man leading entire nation". I think that's alot harder than being a King.
4-27-2009 @ 1:21AM
what exactly do you think being a feudal king is then ?have you seen Braveheart ? do you remember the scene were Edward Longshanks throws his sons friend out a window just for speaking to him ?it's a fictious scene but the fact remains that feudal kings were feudal kings because they had balls as big as watermelons, the ablity to back it up personally and they didn't take any shit.
4-27-2009 @ 3:54AM
@MikoFine, he's a stupid, shortsighted, arrogant feudal king with balls the size of watermelons.Watermelon balls on dudes with intelligence are way less impotent. This is why Thrall gets the chicks.
4-27-2009 @ 6:32AM
by my calculation Thrall hasn't had any recorded action for 18 years while Varian has 10 year old son and was married up until recently... anyway the point was pushed to one side,you don't give a King shit, he won't take it, he's the fecking King.this isn't some elected official who has to be diplomatic.this is a fuedal (and absolute) monarch.and a feudal monarch is above everything else a warrior.he may very well just throw you out a window.some people have very weird ideas about royalty.one too many 'renaissance fairs' i'm guessing.
4-27-2009 @ 3:38PM
Miko, you don't understand. I think he's a great feudal king. Very fitting that he is how he is.That doesn't keep him from being a terrible leader, or too stupid to know what's what. And while he doesn't have an obligation to be a good leader, or smart, it makes it much harder to justify his perceptions as unconditionally "right."
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