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4-26-2009 @ 5:39PM
I like this article very much, it reads pretty much as an indictment against the Horde for their crimes. The arguement that the New Horde cannot be held accountable for the crimes of the Old Horde is as flawed as someone making the arguement that the Post-Civil War United States cannot be held accountable for the slavery crimes commited by the Pre-Civil War United States.I will state however, that if the Horde were to be put on "trial" for their crimes that the Tauren should be exempted from this. Bloodhoof's allegiance to Thrall and the Horde seems to be one of obligation and thanks, as opposed to true support of any political views. The Forsaken, Blood Elves, Trolls and Orcs however are still accountable and liable for their past and present deeds.Thrall comes off as a limp-wristed ruler, someone trying very hard to appease the "Old School" Horde who still cry out for the days of glorious war, and still see the Alliance as a foe that they still want to eradicate..which is what the Horde's MO was during war. With the Draenai they attempted genocide, and they did with the Dwarves, Humans and High Elves as well. If the Sunwell never fell, then the Blood Elves would never of occured and never of joined the Horde. In fact they would of joined the Alliance, more out of hatred for the Horde.I'd love to see someone write a similar, itemized "indictment" of any crimes they feel the Alliance has committed. If some neutral force was to appear and judge which side was more worthy, laying out any crimes and deeds to be judged, defended and accused of, I feel the Alliance would come out in a far better stance than the Horde. While Putress may of carried out the Wrathgate attack, Sylvanas DID give the initial greenlight to the project with the same intent he had. Just later, she had second thoughts and backed out but that doesn't make her innocent. She didn't carry out the murder, but she can still be accused of conspiracy and intent.Is Varian Wrynn morally right in his actions? No..he isn't taking the higher road, however he IS emotionally justified in his attitude. Also it's high time the Alliance had a uniting leader, as galvanizing as Thrall. Before Wrynn got himself out of Alcaz Island, there was no real power to be found in the Alliance leadership. The Gnomes had to rule from a small section of Ironforge, the Dwarven King was more concerned about his daughter's love of Dark Irons, the Night Elf leadership was unclear between Tyrandi and Whats-His-Grouchy-Face. And that leaves us with the humans. (Excluding Draenai, cause their leader is more a "Pope" than a military or political leader. He represents the "Vatican" for the Alliance). The Humans had Bolvar, a young Prince, and Onyxia. Onyxia..with all her schemes..powerplays..and manipulations..was clearly the Queen of the Alliance and a more active force than Bolvar who pretty much kept an isolated, internal focus. I am just sad to see that Onyxia was not given her full time as a villain. Her manipulations and schemes could of filled out an entire expansion.Jaina? Rank-wise, she is more a Governor/Regent than a Queen. She rules a section of human territory, one single port-town, and that's about it. While she is the best one to be an Ambassador, and she is representative of an Alliance-version of Thrall's views..she is as equally limp-wristed as Thrall is. If you want to even out Varian..then wed him to Jaina. She would be the perfect Michelle Obama to Varian's John McCain.Varian has a grudge, he is justified however in this grudge. The Horde, Old and New, have not made proper amends to make up for their past crimes. If the Horde were held on trial, and convicted, then the proper punishment/proper peace treaty would be for the Horde to cede Undercity/Northern Lorderan area (East and west to the seas, south to the dwarven lands, and north up to but not past the Quel`thalas border) to the Alliance. The entire Eastern Kingdoms continent (except the Elven lands) should be under Alliance control. Kalimdor is best a region handled between the Night Elves and Tauren. The Trolls have their own uncontested islands and they can return to it. The Tauren have their rightful lands, as do the Night Elves. The Orcs however..are a foreign force, an invasion Army left stranded. As long as Wrynn's second home of Lorderaen (Undercity) remains in Horde hands..he is justified in his desire for revenge and just one incident away from an outright decleration of war.
4-26-2009 @ 8:40PM
Wall of text, so I'm not replying to everything you posted, but I'd argue that Lordaeron rightfully belongs to the Forsaken, the old citizens of Lordaeron who were murdered by their own king and forced by him to fight against their friends, families, and loved ones.A lot of people seem to totally disregard the fact that the Forsaken were humans once, and Lordaeron was, and still is, their homeland.
4-26-2009 @ 8:33PM
Ya aren't right. Neither is Wrynn.Sorry, you can't be rightful in carrying out a grudge. The fact is that if the Horde was the right kind of civilization to make amends for what their fathers and mothers did, Thrall would make them. He can't, because they would revolt and wreak much greater havoc on the Alliance than the Alliance could probably handle. We see part of this with Garrosh, who fans the flames of a hatred bred into most of the orcs and trolls, instilled in the Forsaken and learned by the blood elves.Unlearning the hatred, becoming a peace-loving people, will take time. Not Antagonism. Wrynn's basically ready to destroy a huge bunch of innocent people because of an extremist faction--that was destroyed by the grace of Sylvanus and Thrall--and because he doesn't see how the New Horde isn't the Old Horde. Wrynn's pretty stupid.
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