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4-30-2009 @ 2:25PM
To be fair, I stopped reading at this point:'and allowing you to use specific melee abilities (as it does for rogues, shamans, paladins and DK's to some extrent)'I would say rogues are in exactly the same point gear-wise as Warriors are. The majority of our abilities are tied to gear (backstab, ambush, mutilate, etc) in the same fashion you've described as warriors.The difference is that plate / warrior items are significantly more itemized than rogue items.I don't even stick around most of the time after a Vault fight because it goes: plate plate, cloth, cloth or plate plate plate, cloth.
4-30-2009 @ 4:19PM
By stopping reading, you missed the second point, the reason why it affects Warriors to a greater level than rogues/paladins/death knights/enhancement shamans.But that's just weapons, which affect all melee classes...Beyond that, Warriors have a certain mechanic known as rage. You get more rage the more white damage you deal, and the more damage you take, which in turn, get's used to produce more special damage.This creates an exponential damage growth for Warriors when gaining new gear, that the other melee do not get.Which leads Warriors to experience a very heavy jerking back and forth, every time new PvP or PvE gear comes out.- Caster classes scale fastest with new gear...- Melee classes scale slower than the casters due to weapons...- Warriors drag behind even other melee classes, until they mostly Best in Slot, due to rage generation.
4-30-2009 @ 4:27PM
"The difference is that plate / warrior items are significantly more itemized than rogue items."Idiot.Explain why dps meter-topping warriors wore rogue gear head to toe for the last 2 years.Warriors may not be the worst itemized dps class in the game, but you can bet your bottom dollar we're fighting for the title.
4-30-2009 @ 4:29PM
"By stopping reading, you missed the second point, the reason why it affects Warriors to a greater level than rogues/paladins/death knights/enhancement shamans."No, I just realised that the author doesn't understand the class mechanics and equipment tie in to rogues.While Warriors may experience an up and down on the graph, rogues have a sharp vertical line of progression. Simply put: You cannot progress as a rogue without gear. Period. You can work on your rotations as much as you like, but unless you're using best in slot items, you will continue to be low on the dps charts. You can take other dps or hybrid classes at equal equipment levels and they will sharply outperform rogues.The reason that this is so relevant is the itemization rates. Rogues are strongly tied to gear like Warriors, but unlike Warriors there are a select number of slot upgrades available, that have low drop percentages, in only specific places.I routinely see in raids Warriors with far less than best in slot items outperforming equally equipped Rogues.In short - Warriors and Rogues both suffer from a tough relationship with gear - however Rogue gear has both low itemization and low drop rate, while plate gear has high itemization and high drop rate. The examples given are a ring and a shield - imagine if it was ranged slot, all your armor pieces and weapons.I'm just disputing Warrior and Rogues gear comparison because it's inaccurate.The 'plate parade' as it's called any time we go through 10 or 25 mans.
4-30-2009 @ 4:37PM
"Idiot.Explain why dps meter-topping warriors wore rogue gear head to toe for the last 2 years.Warriors may not be the worst itemized dps class in the game, but you can bet your bottom dollar we're fighting for the title."Fantastic emotional reply. So exactly what point are you trying to make here? You agree with me that both Rogues and Warriors are strongly tied to their equipment? Or you agree that both classes required best in slot items to top the dps charts?
4-30-2009 @ 4:47PM
Quoted from your post:"The difference is that plate / warrior items are significantly more itemized than rogue items."Where have you been for the past couple of years? Warriors have been rolling on your precious leather for dps set's as long as I have been playing.I could care less about any argument that you could ever raise, simply because you wrote: "The difference is that plate / warrior items are significantly more itemized than rogue items."If warrior items were significantly more itemized than rogue items, we would never roll on rogue gear to up our dps.Idiot.
4-30-2009 @ 5:13PM
"Where have you been for the past couple of years? Warriors have been rolling on your precious leather for dps set's as long as I have been playing."Levelling a warrior to 70 and a rogue to 80 ... jackass. Where have *you* been?The past 2 years != current game content. Past itemization of past dungeon content != current game content. Clear enough for you or should I break out crayons?"If warrior items were significantly more itemized than rogue items, we would never roll on rogue gear to up our dps.Idiot."This doesn't even make sense. Rolling on a lot of Naxx rogue trade items are you? Dual wielding daggers? Get your head out of your ass and come back in 10 years when you're ready to discuss things at the big boy table.
4-30-2009 @ 6:20PM
There's absolutely no way I can take you seriously after you made a post where you argued that rogue gear is poorly itemized compared to warrior gear.http://www.wowhead.com/?item=40541That is how rogue gear is itemized. http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45481That is how plate gear is itemized.http://www.wowhead.com/?compare=45481;40541You just made your entire argument invalid. The Frosted Adroit are superior to the Ruthless Reprisals right now, and they're certainly not in any way poorly itemized.
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