There is the key phrase: "if they had the bugs fixed."

They haven't had that Re-quest bug fixed at all, not since 3.0 first hit. Which had me wondering all along leading up to Children's Week: How would they handle the potential screw up that would be that particular similar achievement?

Count me not the least bit surprised that the same bug caused the same error. At least they were quick with a reasonable solution.

School of Hard Knocks has got to be the dumbest idea ever.

It requires you to get into a BG and totally ignore the objectives of the Battleground.


1. Everyone stands aroudn the center of EOTS fighting over the flag, and your own teammates refuse to heal or assist you, in hopes of stealing the flag once you drop dead. FAIL

2. Paladins and any any othr class with speed boosts leave everyone else behind and race to cap objectives. And then everyone else waits around for opponent to re-cap it so they cna fight over it all over again. FAIL

3. WSG - all the stand around at your flag and do nothing until an opponent shows u pto grab flag - then you all race to kill him to re-cap flag. But nobody want s to be the one to go get the flag. Then as soon as they get the capture, they /afk out of the game... FAIL

4. AB - not even worth getting into AB. FAIL



GET THIS FREAKING ACHIEVEMENT OUT OF THE GAME. IT SUCKS.

I completely agree Netherscourge, and I think the wide majority of WoW players agree too. I'm waiting to hear they've removed/nerfed School of Hard Knocks from the meta to actually start trying any of the others.

It's just stupid.

School of hard knocks needs to be changed IMO to say, "Win each of the four below battlegrounds with your orphan out"

That way people will be competing for the right objective. to win the match.

Was blizzards intention to get people into BG's that previously wouldnt have? If that was it, then they have epically failed. They've made the Battlegrounds the most stressful and boring and unsatisfying thing to play. If i was stepping foot in them for the first time, I'd vow never to come back.

I got the School of Hard Knocks achievement within 40 minutes of starting the orphan questline. While it can be much more time consuming, I think people are overreacting a bit about it.

First, many of the games I was in moved far faster than they usually do BECAUSE people were going for objectives. Do you know how often people try to cap AV towers in my Battlegroup? Or try to get flags back in WSG? Or fight on the flags in AB? Not often. The only one that was problematic was capping a flag in Eye, because that's not generally the best strategy. Even there though, we were able to four cap because the entire Horde team went for the flag. Once we killed them, half of our team got credit for the achievement, one at a time. I came into the next game and the same thing occurred, this time I was able to get credit.

Yes, for some people this will be a challenging achievement. Still, you have five days. You can queue for BGs anywhere now. There are so many tools at your disposal too. Try group queueing with some friends who can keep the opposite faction off your back. Multiqueue across 3 BGs so that if you don't get the objective in one BG, you can switch to another instead of waiting out the full game. If you have gotten the achievement, help others who need it so things move along.

And for the people who are shouting out, "Get out of my BGs, you achievement W****!" Be patient. I've done over 1000 BGs in the last few months. Things have been getting a little stale. This is a short period of excitement where other players are actually awake in BGs. For five days, BGs are a little different. Try to find the fun in it.

About the BG achievement:

Basicly what Phys said above.

It's a short period of fun. It's not as impossible as it first feels. It is still harder then most of the achievements so far in the big meta achievement...something like this is needed. Just think about when you get that proto drake...either everyone and their grandma got one or just those that fought for it.

I preffere the second.