Martin Fury: What would you have done?
So the question is: what would you have done? Lots of players say they wouldn't have touched it, and that it was clearly an item they shouldn't have had. Others say that Karatechop and his guild did what anyone would have done -- it was Blizzard's mistake and they were just taking advantage of it. We'd like to know, so here's a poll: what would you have done if Martin Fury showed up in your mailbox?
| Not touched it at all, it's not my item | |
|---|---|
| Played around with it a bit, maybe killing mobs a few times in the overworld | |
| Saved it for future use, in Icecrown or elsewhere | |
| Headed straight for PvP and rocked Wintergrasp | |
| What Karatechop did: rolled through progression content |
Of course, Karatechop eventually got banned for what he did, but answer that question under the premise that he didn't necessarily know that at the time. And there's another question here: lots of players say that they are surprised Karatechop and his guild didn't open a GM ticket right away -- clearly Blizzard didn't mean to send him the item, and he should have contacted them to get it back. But others aren't so sure. The second question is: no matter what you did with the item, would you have told the GMs about it?
| Yes | |
|---|---|
| No |
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Reader Comments (Page 7 of 16)
Hane May 1st 2009 2:28PM
HE WAS BANNED? Are you shitting me? Blizzard screws up, someone decides to have fun because it's a GAME, and they decide to lock him out of WoW? That's purely ignorant and makes them look terrible.
WoWie Zowie May 1st 2009 2:38PM
yes, i would love to see their PR department try to explain their way out of this one. especially since we all see the email that was sent to him from blizzard
garyism May 1st 2009 4:43PM
i would've done the same thing he did. its blizzard's mistake. the GM who sent it to him should have their own account banned. take away the achievements and loot that they got and give the people back their accounts. let em play.
mattw May 1st 2009 2:32PM
I'm sure I would have tried it out on something, but once I ascertained that it was an auto one-shot killer, I would probably have opened a ticket.
God help me if wintergrasp had been going on, I would have gotten myself banned.
Dustin May 1st 2009 2:55PM
I don't agree with the poll because we all know what would happen now if we did anything other than report it right away. The poll should be whether or not we'd expect to be banned for life. Or whether the punishment fit the crime.
Dapcmeck May 1st 2009 2:35PM
Honestly this should not be a big deal. Blizz wonders why they are reported to BBB so much they need to look at their response. Yes I understand some things were taken with achieve and such but that can be undone. What concerns me is the auto ban they did. It was their mistake and to punish a player for using it is wrong. They could have used their logs they love so much and pulled it out.
Linainverse May 1st 2009 2:35PM
Honestly, I know I'd be tempted to use something like that. Which is why, after hearing about all this, I have come up with a *cunning plan* in case I receive something in the mail I'm not expecting and looks iffy. :)
1 - Alt+Tab out and look the item up. Depending on what I do or not find...
2 - Log out to resist temptation, and use the WoW website to contact someone. That way, I'm just covering my own rear. Better than me losing my account. It takes me forever to lvl, and I don't want to start over. O_O
kubien May 1st 2009 2:35PM
I think Blizz is too perma-ban happy. They don't bat an eye to completely banning someone that has been playing for years with no previous issues before it.
I think this issue is just insane because they did heroic uldar. If they went and did old world bosses, or naxx, no one would care as much. But since they went and did heroic uldar, then yeah, they went too far.
If I got it, I'd be tempted to go 1 shot Ony. Thats about it. But, knowing how ban happy blizz is, i would have left it in the mailbox and petitioned. Knowing blizz, they would perma-ban just for looting it.
WoWie Zowie May 1st 2009 2:36PM
i think it's well understood, going forward, that you absolutely should report receiving an item like this.
HOWEVER, at the time this happened, NOTHING like this had occurred previously. there was no precedent set and no warning.
this item came from blizzard. a GM in fact.
i don't think i would have reported it under these circumstances. I would have been like "o cool they're trying to make up for months of service that i paid for while not getting my problem solved"
ie, there would really BE a reason to report it.
shadowrx May 1st 2009 2:36PM
Have you opened a GM ticket lately? Let's just say that they are not exactly flying through the tickets.
Here is what he should have done:
Immediately open a ticket
Proceed into Ulduar and start killing hard modes exactly as he did.
With the average response time on GM tickets, Karatechop would probably have had the better part of a week until his 'Ticket was Escalated'. Then he would have had another 4 days or so to do it again after the reset.
Of course the entire time his UI would be messed up because of the little notice constantly reminding him that he had an open or escalated ticket.
Starsmore May 1st 2009 2:37PM
I'd be on the first boat for the Eastern Continent and raiding Stormwind.
FOR THE HORDE, bitches!
VSUReaper May 1st 2009 3:30PM
Vrathmat
Are you that stupid? Some players take insane amounts of pleasure from being challenged to be the best that they can be in this game. Having someone go through and cheese all the hardmode fights b/c of an item would surely piss some people off.
Let me try and relate it to something a lil more lifelike: 2 football teams show up to the superbowl, a HS team and a pro team. The ref blows the whistle to start the game, one play is done, ref blows the whistle to end the game, and the trophy is carried out and given to the HS team b/c their jersey has sparkles on it. How would the Pro team feel? Pretty bitter/mad that the game was just given to someone that wasnt as good as they were.
Same thing applies to raids.
Hard modes are playoffs, Algalon is the superbowl.
Drfumanchu May 2nd 2009 1:19PM
VSU-your comparing pretend things to real things..the analogy u used worx fine if u include that..the commisioner of footbal caught the cheat and said wait..do over wasnt fair dosnt count no one has one the trophy yet..and even if the team who got the trpophy didnt want to give it back...Even in real life they can just make a new one O.O OMGWTFBBQ/fail >.
malaika May 1st 2009 2:38PM
First of all, lets remember its a game, not real life. What I would do in a RL situation is moot.
Second, IMHO, Blizzard did some sloppy code if it allows dev items on live realms. The live realms should have code to NEVER allow certain items (such as Martin's Fury) to exist. They should only be permitted to exist on a PTR. Blizzard should have had a failsafe. This should be their next maintenance priority. And they should fix the tootips to change "Cheater" into "Using this item on a live realm is a bannable offense". Its clearer that way.
Pexxle -=SilverHand (RP)=- May 1st 2009 2:46PM
More good insight
+20
WoW is so full of Easter Eggs, and humorous items, that it probably never dawned on him at first. Still he did go to Ulduar and was 1 shotting things that people have prepared(indirectly), months - years to undertake and still can't.
vrathmat May 1st 2009 6:11PM
"Still he did go to Ulduar and was 1 shotting things that people have prepared(indirectly), months - years to undertake and still can't."
I fail to see why this is relevant at all. Him blowing up Ulduar with the most awesome shirt in the world has nothing to do with other people's raids and how long they've prepared for it. It doesn't make Ulduar any more or less meaningful, and it certainly didn't hurt those people.
Nayeli May 1st 2009 2:39PM
I think it's fair to say that anyone would have liked to use it and do all the impossible things they otherwise will probably never do. I do think that people virtuous enough to say "this is not my item" and return it to a GM for that reason is scarce to non-existent in wow. (Despite what people say now, it's very different when you are actually faced with that choice.)
However, it would be retarded to think that you wouldn't be discovered or that there wouldn't be retribution to follow. People still with some sense will do the proper thing while people who act before they think will get their accounts permanently banned. Well, I suppose if you think the experience of one-shotting raid bosses >>> your current wow account, I can't argue with that, but I'm not about to give up my 3 yr old account (and the cost to create a new one) and hard efforts I put into my characters for a 1-time invincibility. And by the way, if you just want to experience one-shotting bosses, go find a private server.
I'm more curious as to how the item ended up in that player's mailbox.
Chadley May 1st 2009 2:40PM
Absolutely would have turned it in. There's no way Blizz would approve. I've already had my acct banned for what I believe was completely unjustified reasons, and I didn't even get a response when I tried to argue my case. You can't trust Blizz to give any specific instance leeway--they don't have time to make a court case every time they ban someone, and if they DIDN'T ban Martin Fury, it would set the precedent for every other ban to be argued.
Like anyone will stop playing their game anyway...
duskhawk May 1st 2009 2:40PM
I think the people who assume *everyone* would use it are being a bit disingenuous. In my case, I actually have a phobia about getting in trouble (4 hour anxiety attack after the 1 time I got pulled over while driving, for example), so no, not everyone would use it.
There's quite a lot of "WTF" factor in the whole situation - even if Blizz couldn't give details because of personnel/privacy issues, it would be nice to at least know the general circumstances - was it a GM mistyping something? Or a GM gone bad? Or something else entirely?
LandMineHare May 1st 2009 2:43PM
I would have used it to beat Hogger.