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5-03-2009 @ 12:14PM
Whilst I don't necessarily feel that you have been treated unfairly by Blizzard I do feel that the personal attacks on you by other WoW players are completely unwarranted. It's hard to predict human behavior at the best of times. Dont ever take what anonymous people on the internet say to heart.
5-03-2009 @ 4:18PM
Yeah, Blizzard probably doesn't feel at all badly towards you specifically Karatechop, even if those chat logs are damning (sounds like they're pretty bad and sort of contrary to what you claim about innocence). But they need to ensure that the precedent is clear for "cheating," as you put it. Someone messes with the way the game is intended to work, even if they do so through the fault of the GM, they get perma-banned so that no one else will think that Blizzard's not going to punish people who are tempted to do the same through some in-game error.Makes complete sense, and I don't blame either you for your strange reaction to obtaining Martin Fury, or Blizzard for trying to preserve their game (the integrity of which is > one account).I find it sad that you didn't kill Algalon. Such a waste.
5-03-2009 @ 6:24PM
While I think it was wrong to have used the item, I never thought perma-ban was justified. I very highly doubt that they could possibly hack Bliz and send the item to the guild. And even if they did, unless Bliz has a solid proof, I think you have to give them the benefit of the doubt.A short term suspension while investigating the matter, then rolling back the account to right before they got the item would've been a much more appropriate response.
5-03-2009 @ 8:21PM
I think the most interesting thing about the whole scandal, is that Blizzard is doing everything they can to cover up what they have done here. They have pressured Wowhead to delete the item from thier database, along with the comments about it there, and I'm surprised they haven't "cleaned up" Wowinsider. I fully expect that within a week all articles regarding Martin Fury will be purged from this site at Blizzards request.While Karate and some others certainly share some blame for what happened, clearly the BIGGEST blame should fall on Blizzard. People have been using "Creative use of game mechanics" ever since WoW was introduced. People bug out the drakes on Malygos in order to have them through the whole fight for a 6 minute achievement. People used to BoP Razergore to bug out the razer fight. (I know, that was a while ago). People used Voidwalkers to tank Sarth 3D even though Blizzard said that was not the way the fight was intended to be done. These are all examples of completing things in the game, that you would not otherwise be able to complete.It's easy to be very holier-than-thou and say YOU wouldn't have used it, but I think past history shows that a vast majority of players would have not only used it, but used it to a much greater degree. Blizzard screwed up.Blizzard got embarrassed by their screwupBlizzard overreacted by blanket-banning an entire guild, most of which had nothing to do with the screwupBlizzard tried to cover up their over-reaction by purging all references to it from every site that they have sway over.
5-04-2009 @ 2:42AM
Meh, the blanket ban was unfair, and I think the permaban is unjustified. Obviously, blizz can do what they want, but ultimately, is sullies their good name, imo.
5-04-2009 @ 4:28AM
I agree entirely with the sentiment here. If Blizz sends me an IWIN button, THEY sent ME an item. If what he said about the 4 months to revive the account is true, I'd likely make the same presumption he made... although I admit I may still be a little skeptical if it didn't soulbind and since it was so potentially game-breaking, but i could see how he could've believed it was legit. It was Blizzard's mistake. I don't see why their customers have to suffer. I would be as if my mechanic sent me a coupon for a free oil change, and then a few days after I used it, he showed up at my house with an army of police and repossesses my car. Also... since Blizzard apparently wants their customers to catch Blizzard's mistakes, I should sue Blizzard for back pay as a customer service tech and game-op.
5-04-2009 @ 6:36AM
Actually I do think he has been unfairly treated by Blizzard. A permaban for using something someone sent him in the mail. Come on! Blizzard - that is ridicolous...
5-04-2009 @ 2:43PM
What's ridiculous is expecting us to buy the idea that it was merely a case of receiving an item sent in the mail.No, it was taking a developer item, which was clearly not meant to be in player hands, and jumping into Ulduar, despite plenty of awareness that it was cheating.Trust me, you won't get banned if you simply get such an item and don't use it in that fashion
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