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5-03-2009 @ 12:26PM
I think Karatechop got a raw deal. I mean, it was Blizzard's mistake that the item came to be. Then, they ban him from using it. It's like Pandora's box. It has amazing power, but don't open it! And the moral is that we'd all open it. Blizz's actions is akin to one of a five year old. I let you play with my toy (accidentially) and you broke it...waaaah! I mean, why couldn't they just reset his account to the point prior to his acquiring Martin Fury? Take away the achievements and gear and leave him be? I personally would let him keep the gear just as a sorry we goofed gift. But, seeing that Bliz is taking the low road, I'd say take the gear.Sorry Karatechop, hope things work out for you. I hear WAR is lovely this time of year...
5-03-2009 @ 12:42PM
These are my feelings on the whole matter as well.
If something sounds too good to be true, it probably is.I personally think he should have only received a 72 hour ban or something, just as a warning for him and everyone else who might use items that don't belong to them. I think its just both parties making innocent (I assume) mistakes which ended up being blown out of proportion. Also for all we know the GM who gave him the item might have gotten into some trouble too.
5-03-2009 @ 1:08PM
Because that would require logic?Something blizzard may or may not have tossed out the door.
5-03-2009 @ 1:28PM
Pandora's Box is the best comparison you can make to it. It's an ancient tale that states our human morals at its best. We would all use it, whether we want to man up to it or not.Thank you for giving me the comparison I've been looking for.
5-03-2009 @ 1:44PM
I actually hope the employee who sent him the item got in trouble. Not fired or anything, but reprimanded in some way. Maybe he should get his account banned, too. I mean, he started this debacle that caused everyone else to be banned.
5-03-2009 @ 3:39PM
This is a horrible injustice. What if I recieved this item in the mail and it happened to be my first day playing WoW? How would I know to open a ticket or that it wasn't a common item.This is waaay effed up.
5-03-2009 @ 3:33PM
5-03-2009 @ 6:20PM
Karatechop shouldn't have been banned. Bliz gave them the item. Why should we be responsible for policing the actions of their GMs?Yes, the achievements and gear gained through it's use should have been wiped. And the GM who was the reason for the whole mess should be reprimanded or fired. But the consequences of the actions of an agent of Blizzard should never be laid upon the players.
5-03-2009 @ 6:56PM
>Why should we be responsible for policing the actions of their GMs?You're not. Karatechop is being held responsible for his actions.He'd not have been punished if he'd just reported the action, or if he'd not taken it from his guild mate's alt and then run into Ulduar one-shotting bosses over it.
5-03-2009 @ 8:05PM
Amazing.Other people that get it."If I had gotten it, I would have made a GM ticket immediately."BSIf they had gotten it, they would have tested it to see if it really was what it said it was. They might have opened a GM ticket too. But human nature being what it is, I'd bet 90% of the population in WoW would have used it. Some would have used it on a lark, others in a way that would be broken as hell.Like I said before, had I gotten it, I would have made a GM ticket about 10 minutes before I used it. I would have made a raid with a level 1 alt and gone into Icecrown Citadel the day it opened and so the entire server would see the achievement for killing Arthas first and only 1 name would show up. That would be followed by /1 Pwned nubs. 1 less emo king wannabe, Varian's next.The sheer number of tells I would get would probably crash the server. And it would be glorious.At least the gnome did it to be funny.
5-03-2009 @ 8:44PM
>>You're not. Karatechop is being held responsible for his actions.No, he was given the item by a GM. It's reasonable to expect using something given to you by a GM would not be a bannable offense for the player using it.GM's don't get fired when we do something wrong on their watch. Why should player's be held to higher standard then Blizzard employees are?>>He'd not have been punished if he'd just reported the actionAgain, why is he responsible for reporting the actions of the GM? He doesn't give them their paychecks.He doesn't hire them. He doesn't train them. He doesn't know if they are allowed to give someone a god item with a charge limit or not. He doesn't know *what* a GMs limits are. Because he's not the GM's supervisor. Making sure the GM is doing their job right and double checking their work should not be our responsibility. Nor should we be punished for not double checking their work.Karatechop and his guildmates that were involved should have all gotten the same punishment mechanics exploiters and the like usually get. A *temporary*24-72 hour ban and the gains earned removed from their character(s). Perma banning him from the game for being unable to resist temptation when it is thrust upon him, unsolicited, by a Blizzard employee makes Blizzard look petty. It's quite obvious they're banning him for the public embarassment his use of the item caused them by exposing the incompetence of the GM as botters, BG AFKers, and other exploiters have caused far more grief for players and the game then this did and they typically receive much lighter punishments for a first offense.
5-03-2009 @ 10:16PM
>>You're not. Karatechop is being held responsible for his actions.>No, he was given the item by a GM. It's reasonable to expect using something given to you by a GM would not be a bannable offense for the player using it.Not when it's a developer item, with a power that is explicitly beyond ANYTHING in the game.If this was an epic, I would probably agree with you. Maybe even a legendary. Turns out it is not. This is a developer item, no player has such an item, ever has such an item, and if you aren't aware of how unreasonable it is to expect this item to be acceptable to be usable, well, I'm glad you know now, and this is why it's apparently necessary that Karatechop be perma-banned.I guess the whole WOW community needed to be hit with a clue-train. Now you've been given a clue, I hope you use it.>GM's don't get fired when we do something wrong on their watch. Why should player's be held to higher standard then Blizzard employees are?How do you know when GMs are fired? How do you know anything of their internal processes and disciplines?>>He'd not have been punished if he'd just reported the action>Again, why is he responsible for reporting the actions of the GM? Sorry I left out a word. I meant to say "not reported the action" but left out the not by mistake.
5-04-2009 @ 10:25AM
Honestly idc either way, the whole situation is ugly.It seems some info was left out regarding the quoted script Blizz showed back to him...What exactly were he and his guildies saying? "Ha ha yeah! We can burn down Ulduar!""Yeah!, but wait, you think we would get in trouble?"I get the feeling their chat was incriminating enough showing that they knew the consequences and went ahead anyway. They showed him quotes, but they can pull up his WHOLE chat history and read it word for word. Stupidity all around.Innocence Fail
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