Saw Trek last night, it was good, no doubt.
Fans of Lost will instantly understand how
J.J. pulled this off using the existing canon
of the series.

If you're a fan of either series, I recommend seeing this film.

I still swear I saw Dr. Peter Chang in Engineering.....

(On the Kalvin)

Holes to punch:SPOILERS AHOY

Stars don't suddenly go supernova, but let's pretend something triggered it (ala Generations). A supernova will not destroy an entire galaxy, ever. Also, the explosion is limited to the speed of light (unless every little particle has it's own warp engine!), so the only solar system in danger is the one directly in front of the exploding star. Everyone else in the galaxy? At worst, they have hundreds of years to worry about it, more like thousands. WHOOPS.

Hey, we have to stop this catastrophe with our supersecret supercool weapon which we managed to develop in an unspecified amount of time during this monumentous galaxy destroying explosion. Ohwait, so IS it a threat or not? Oh, we don't have time to worry about facts, the important thing is that the OBVIOUS best solution for implementing our salvation weapon is.....a single pilot in a shuttle. In fact, let's get an aging ambassador to make this Star Trek equivalent of a Death Star run. Why? BECAUSE IT'S TEH DRAMA!!!

Hey, how about that superweapon, eh? Red matter? When I pull things out of my ass, it's not a made up matter. Nice of them to give Spock an entire TUB of the stuff, though, since you apparently only need a drop of it. How does it work, where does it come from, etc? No, no, thinking bad.

This movie really made me want to join Starfleet, and from the looks of it, it's REALLY easy to join Starfleet. Step one, find out where they are building a ship not designed for atmospheric flight. Apparently the most sensible place is on the ground in the midwest-oh, right, we needed that melodramatic shot, sensibilities be damned. Step two, drive RIGHT UP TO IT and just hop on a shuttle. Yes, in the future everyone is so trustworthy that the government has no security or anything, just come right on up!

I don't think they'd let me into Starfleet, though. While I'm a pretty bright fellow, at 17 I wasn't able to outperform a SUPERCOMPUTER on mathematical and physical calculations....and certainly not by hand. Oh, but it gives Chekov something to do and it's SO DRAMATIC! Just like Sulu pretending he's a Jedi, with his little pocket sword and backflips high in the sky on a moving platform.

Speaking of transporting things, maybe I missed a line, but why couldn't Spock's parents and the council be beamed out of that cave? Oh, right, we needed the dramatic image of Spock reaching out for his mother, doesn't matter if it makes sense or not. What was she doing there, anyway, as neither Vulcan nor elder?

Odd that Nero knew where/when Spock was going to pop out. Psychic! He really must have been driven batty by spending so many years just floating around in space-he decimates a massive Klingon fleet, obliterates a top of the line Federation fleet in mere minutes, and then we he thinks about approaching Earth he's suddenly worried about defenses. Um. Why? Oh, right, so that we can have an OH SO DRAMATIC rescue and shoot out scene. Gotta give the boys an excuse. How's that brain stem, by the way, Captain Pike? Oh, you forgot about that? It's ok, the writers did too.

That's just off the top of my head, shall we continue? The movie should have been called Star Trek Troopers:a lesson on how to take a property known for intellectualism and social commentary....and turn it into pretty teenage drama and explosions. It's dumb, gorgeous entertainment, and nothing more.

Also, Beastie Boys=instant fail for any movie, especially a sci fi flick.....but hey, Kirk is the go to guy for product placement in the future, I guess. Nokia, Budweiser, Jack Daniels, contemporary pop music, you name it, he'll shill it!

/cry for the jaded among us...

/cry for the inattentive
/cry for what that does to those of us who pay attention

If you didn't catch those plot/logic holes, you really aren't paying attention and could probably be entertained by Ass:The Movie. I'm sorry that YOU have no standards, but I'm sick of having to be talked to like a toddler for your sake.

Great rebuttle, though, you really stepped up to the plate when I answered your "dare" to punch holes in it.

Angry nerd is angry...

*Cracks Knuckles for Extended Keyboard Action

OK...to start, my comments were directed at the Lore Geeks out there who would try to take exception with how the movie fits into their already existing universe...but since you decided to see fit to use you uber-techno-nerd wisdom to punch holes in the technical aspects of the movie I shall endeavor to respond.

WHAT ABOUT STAR TREK IS REAL? It's a damn science FICTION movie smart guy! Since antigravity and warp drive and a thousand other made up things in the Star Trek universe do not exist, or do not yet exist, or will never exist, your silly techno idiocy is just one more foolish attempt by people with more brains than imagination to try to rationalize something into reality that can never happen. I feel sorry for you small minded people as it never occurs to you to suspend disbelief and just sit and enjoy a movie...rather you most likely spend your time trolling the forums like a pack of calculator wielding chess club douches looking for people to try to talk down to when you should realize that the rest of the world doesn't give a rats ass whether supernovas travel at 12 miles an hour or 12 times light speed...we went to Star Trek to be entertained, you obviously went with a mental shotgun ready to blast it apart because you have no joy in your life.

As to all of your wasted typing I merely glazed visually trying to read it as obviously your mental skills at 17 are so vastly beyond the rest of us as to allow you to tell us about your physics and math skills and supercomputer crud that WE WILL NEVER RESPECT because respect is earned not bragged for.

And suddenly just because you haven't heard about it or thought about it or dreamed about it or imagined about it...it can't exist right? Who cares...your analytical mind may get you into MIT, but your lack of imagination and your narrow-minded attitude to only adhere to a reality that you cannot escape from only serves to leave you following the work of others instead of setting out towards those new frontiers that real visionaries find.

I didn't think I needed to respond to your arguments in my previous comment in any other way because I judged the movie based on it's story telling merit and not on it's scientific and technical merit...because when I think of science it doesn't generally go hand in hand with storytelling and entertainment. If, God forbid, they ever make a sci-fi movie that adheres to every last aspect of Physics and Math and Quantum Theory etc. I won't be there because I don't need a movie for that...it's called REAL LIFE!

Speaking of which you should get a real life before your brain expands too far and blocks out the sun and I am forced to use my warp ship to go elsewhere...Oh wait that can't happen because a the skull couldn't contain such expansion and the body couldn't nourish such a large organ and the weight of the huge brain would be such as to crush the rest of your body right?

Dammit I hate the technically righteous, they could suck the fun out of sex...if they ever got any.