Ask a Lore Nerd: Holy Warriors

Welcome to Ask a Lore Nerd, where each week blogger and columnist Alex Ziebart answers your questions about the lore and history of the World of Warcraft. Ask your questions in the comments section below, and we'll try to answer it in a future edition.
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jealouspirate asked...
"I have a question about the Draenei. Mainly, why have they stayed in Azeroth? I mean, I know for the sake of gameplay this is how things are, but is there any justification for it? Shouldn't Velen be in Shattrath?"
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jealouspirate asked...
"I have a question about the Draenei. Mainly, why have they stayed in Azeroth? I mean, I know for the sake of gameplay this is how things are, but is there any justification for it? Shouldn't Velen be in Shattrath?"
Like the Orcs, they've made Azeroth their home. Their original homeworld is prime Legion territory right now, and they can't go back there. Outland is in shambles for the moment. We purged the darkness of Outland (mostly) but it's still a mess. Azeroth is home to the foretold Army of the Light. The Draenei want to stick around. They like the place, and it's probably their best chance at a new beginning... and defeating the Legion. They want to stay close to other Light-following people. When your biggest enemy is the Burning Legion, why wouldn't you?
outlier asked...
"I read the WoW book "Tides of Darkness" where the Horde first began to invade the eastern kingdoms and the book went into the Alliance's creation of Paladins. Basically, they were originally Priests who learned to fight more like a Warrior while retaining their faith. This to me seemed like a logical conclusion since in times of battle, it helps to be able to physically defend yourself. My question is, why have night elves, trolls and undead not come to this same logical conclusion? I mean, each of these 3 races already are aligned with a race who knows how to transition from Priest to Paladin (blood elves for the horde and various races for the alliance), why hasn't someone told them how to do it?"
On a large scale, taking an overhead look of the entire race, Trolls, Night Elves, and to a much lesser extent the Forsaken, may not have the capacity to become Paladins, or even the interest in it. Remember, Night Elves and Trolls have Priests, but they do not follow the same faith that the current living Paladins do. Night Elves draw their power from Elune, not the Light. Can Elune have Paladins? Would a Paladin of Elune have the same capabilities, or would they be different? The same goes for Trolls. They're more like friendly Witch Doctors. The abilities all have the same names for ease of use in-game, but Blizzard has made it clear that they do not all share the same faith.
In the case of Night Elves, their Paladin equivalent would probably be the Priestess of the Moon, which is the class role Tyrande filled in Warcraft III, and their capabilities are elaborated upon in the War of the Ancients trilogy. They wear plate over their cloth, much like Paladins. However, there are some huge differences. They draw their power from the Moon, not the Light. They, like most warriors in Night Elf culture, prefer to attack from range, using bows and arrows. The class 'progression' exists in other cultures, it just doesn't necessarily sync up with Priest to Paladin.
Taking a closer look at the races, taking individual cases into account, sure, there could definitely be Paladins of those races. One point Blizzard has made about the Light is that it doesn't discriminate based on race. Even the little bit about the Forsaken being burnt to a crisp by the Light due to their undead nature has been lifted over the last few years. The Light does not at all discriminate. Night Elves and Trolls can worship the Light rather than their native gods and goddesses if they want, but will that happen? Not very often. The Forsaken can continue to worship the Light as they did in life, but most of them have turned primarily to the Shadow aspects of the Light. Paladins absolutely can exist in this races, but they are going to be incredibly rare.
If you want to see Paladins of unusual races, just hang out with the Argent Crusade. Most of the Argent Crusade is Humans, but there are Trolls and Night Elves scattered about that are wearing plate armor and have mana bars. They're not specifically stated as being Paladins, but it's a safe assumption. Paladinhood aside, there are still examples of some of these races following the Light, so it's possible. Zabra Hexx, who was a character in the Ashbringer comic, is a Darkspear Troll that found the Light. Chancellor Velora is the subject of a TCG card and as an Undead Priestess, her flavor text says: "The Light rewards faith, not form."
It's absolutely possible that these races can have Paladins. However, you wouldn't see one every day, and that's why they aren't playable. The playable classes are the aspects of the races that you would encounter every single day walking through town.
Supernaut asked...
"Why can't Forsaken be of any race (and therefore of any class)?"
This is a one part lore, one part game mechanics answer. As far as lore goes, most of the Undead are humans, citizens of Lordaeron. There are other races that've been risen, but they're few and far between compared to the Humans since it was Lordaeron that was struck by the Scourge, not Orgrimmar or Ironforge or whatever. Classes are always based on what you're most likely to see in a specific race. It's the same for the Forsaken models.
Now, game mechanics. It would be really cool to have a Tauren Forsaken, but is it a Tauren of a Forsaken? What racials does it have? Could you, at a glance, tell whether that character off in the distance is a Forsaken or a Tauren? Even worse, what if it's a Dwarf? Could an Alliance player tell that that's a Forsaken Dwarf off in the distance and not a Dwarf Dwarf? Would they be able to easily tell the difference if one ran up behind them in PvP? Those are all problems in a game like this, the races need a distinct look. The Forsaken have one consistent appearance all of their own, and mixing that up any further makes them more difficult to recognize, which isn't a good thing at all in a game like WoW.
Torumin asked...
"The future expansions will involve the Emerald Dream and/or the Maelstrom, but what races/classes are likely going to be implemented. Goblins for Horde? Furbolgs for Alliance? Demon Hunters? I'd just like to hear your thoughts on this."
If you want my personal, honest thoughts on the matter, I don't think we'll see any new races or classes in the next expansion. Even if it turns out to not be the Maelstrom, my answer is the same. I'll be very pleased if Blizzard proves me wrong, but I don't think we're going to see any at all.
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Reader Comments (Page 2 of 6)
Herbz May 11th 2009 7:51PM
"Paladins absolutely can exist in this races, but they are going to be incredibly rare." Very rare indeed. I found the usual person, anyone found any other undead Paladin like npc?
Herbz May 11th 2009 8:17PM
The link didn't go through. The name of the npc is Leonid Barthalomew the Revered.
Bubsa May 11th 2009 11:03PM
Still a few hanging around Light's Hope Chapel, I think.
Sindragosa May 11th 2009 7:52PM
Why did the demons kill Gul'dan at the Tomb of Sargeras? Weren't they all on the same side?
John May 11th 2009 9:42PM
I just finished reading Tides of Darkness, so the details are still fresh in my mind.
Basically, Sargeras doesn't really want to give his power away. So he tricked Gul'dan into coming to his tomb and then had the demons kill him. Although for what purpose, I'm not sure. I don't think that was covered in the book.
Mr42 May 12th 2009 12:43PM
Not quite, if you consider that Gul'dan was searching for Sargeras' power in his quest to become some sort of god (basically)
Khaledzadum May 11th 2009 7:59PM
I do not like the lore answer provided for why we do not see Paladins of Night Elves or Trolls. The reason stated is based on where they get there power from and that we might not know what abilities a Troll Paladin would have. Whether they get there power from Elune, The Light, or Voodoo the priests all share the same abilities. Therefore it would not be absurd to think a paladin would have the same abilities no matter if he got his power from any of the three above. This would only be truly believable in-game if priests who followed other forms of power had different spells. We know that isn't true, so its a bit of a double standard for Blizzard if they use that reasoning for not have all races who have Priests to have Paladins.
Ryan May 11th 2009 8:42PM
Priests used to have different abilities based on the race they choose, but they were gradually phased out or made baseline (Fear Ward). Priests in game have the same spells for gameplay reasons, each races priests are quite different.
Khaledzadum May 11th 2009 8:49PM
I understand it is for gameplay reasons, but what I am saying is that it would be a double standard on Blizzard's part if that is why they did not have Paladins from those other races.
I mean if its good enough for the Priests to make them seem the same in game when by Lore they are not, why isn't it good enough for the Paladins?
blarg_master May 11th 2009 9:39PM
In Vanilla WoW, pallies were Alliance and shammies were Horde. Then, (though I think it shouldn't have happened personally) come Burning Crusade and all the belfs wear plate with spellpower and the squidgoataliens, after getting their asses handed to them by the orcs, picked up on their shaman thing. The reason why there are no other Horde pallies, or Alliance pallies, is because of the shammies.
I'm not letting a dwarf Frost Shock me in a million years.
DeathPaladin May 11th 2009 10:16PM
The short answer is that certain class/race combinations are extremely rare. There is a Forsaken Paladin. There are probably a couple Troll or Night Elf Paladins out there, that decided to start following the Light. There are even Gnome priests in Gnomeregan.
However, these unusual combinations are the exception that proves the rule.
We get to play the rule, not the exception.
Khaledzadum May 11th 2009 10:30PM
Why are they the exception? If there are Priests of that race, why should only Priests of certain races think "Hey it would be really cool if I wore plate as well as heal myself." Which brings us to the original question. I still have not seen a good answer as to Why.
We have the "Lore" answer from above, but then the "Lore" was tossed aside to have priests from races who are not following the light but have the exact same spells. This was deemed a gameplay issue. Ok, Fine. But why do those priests not follow the original paladin way to becoming warrior priests?
If "Lore" was tossed aside for gameplay with the Priest class, the justification for not having a Troll Paladin shouldn't be the same one that was thrown out for the Priest.
Zelius May 12th 2009 12:54AM
I think the answer is this: Paladins are Light exclusive. The classes the other faiths have come up with are Druids and Shamans.
Though this doesn't explain why we can't play as actual Light-worshipping troll Paladins or whatever. However, lorewise any race could learn be anything. But would it really be fun if we had Tauren Warlocks and Draenei Druids running around?
Khaledzadum May 12th 2009 12:59AM
Actually the answer pretty much comes down to this. There isn't one. Blizzard decided arbitrarily that they do not want Paladins of any of the other races. It is the only thing that makes sense.
oscurotoro May 12th 2009 5:52AM
Priests don't all worship the same forces. NE's worship Elune humans/dwarves worship the light etc. The difference with a pally is the pally specifically worships the light. So a Troll priest worshipping Jah or whatever they worship wouldn't develop physical fighting prowess and all of a sudden worship the light. Thus no light no pally.
Eisengel May 12th 2009 5:53AM
How many people these days are in data entry jobs or tech support jobs where they work with computers all day? Why don't they just say 'hey, this sucks, I want to work with computers but make more money' and go and become PhDs in Compuer Science and go do corporate research with a 6-figure paycheck to start? .... because it's hard and that path just does not appeal to many people.
Why do Belfs and Humans like to go from their 3 hour prayer sessions, turns tilling the pastoral fields and diligently researching the dogma and copying and recopying old manuscripts and holy texts to preserve them out into the blazing sun, put on heavy armor and then practice swordsmanship, riding, the give and take of shield combat and the heavy motion-checking swings of 2-hander combat, and then bruised and exhausted, stagger back to their sparse quarters to tend to their equipment, and stay up late into the night to make up the work they missed?
Being a Paladin means basically mastering two professions that most have trouble mastering singly, the art of the Warrior and that of being a Priest, and just like becoming a PhD, it takes a load of work and dedication that not everyone is prepared to put forward. Any member of any race can be a Paladin, but it seems the Belfs and Humans are particularly flexible, dedicated enough, and have the cultural drive and support to develop the skills of the Warrior and Priest, so much so that most Paladins are either Human or Belf.
Humans already worshiped the Light for a long time, and are particularly adaptable, and whose major officials have either been Warriors, Priests, or Mages. It was almost inevitable that some enterprising Humans would try to combine the disciplines.
Belfs were set apart because they channel magic so well. They bathed in the power of the Well of Eternity, suffered the loss of the Sunwell, and are in essence immense magical magnets. In their desperate search for a source of magic to replace what they had lost it was inevitable that they would try to find a way to channel the Light. The Belfs also have a long, long history of combat with the Amani Trolls, with whom they have been basically at war with nearly constantly, and had skilled fighters, especially Rogues that would stalk the Amani Shadow Hunters in deadly cat and mouse games constantly. Once they began channeling the Light, it was likely that they would try to shape it into a weapon to drive back the Amani and ensure they would be ready for the Scourge if they ever attacked again.
No other races really have either the unique adaptability or magical talents of Humans and Blood Elves. Based on who their races are in the WoW universe, it makes sense to me that they both would develop Paladins, and that Paladins from other races would be quite rare.
Neofox May 12th 2009 6:51AM
Khaledzadum,
Eisengel's reply was right; it is a highly difficult path. But that's not the only reason.
There's something else that hasn't been said directly here, but touched on. Alex was basically saying it outright, and others have been saying the same thing. Paladins are of the Light, and none other.
But here's why: in early Warcraft lore, there was actually a lot of Christianity/Christian-esque principals placed into the story. Much of that has indeed faded from the WoW we know today, but some still exists in the game because it was the basis for on which many parts of Warcraft were created.
One of the most important things to understand about the lore (in my opinion) is that the Light translates directly to God in the real world. Specifically, the God of the Bible (this is determined by quest text from multiple paladin quests, humans' being the most prevalent (and while blood elf paladins don't deny the same beliefs, especially after their captive Naaru was taken from them, their paladin quests simply focus more on the aspect of becoming a Blood Knight)).
It's pretty easy to see these references in WoW today while playing a paladin if you pay attention. Just look at paladins' spells; things like Righteous Fury, Judgements, Holy Wrath, Spiritual Attunement, Repentance, Divine Intervention, and most obviously Hand of Sacrifice/Salvation, all point to their Christian-esque base. And that is why paladins must follow the Light. And, as said, any race can choose to follow the light and thus become a paladin, it's just rare.
I think you also asked, why can't they just learn to wear heavier armor and still use their healing spells? (basically; I paraphrased a little) That wouldn't be a paladin either, because none of the abilities could be at all the same due to the lack of following the Light. And so, here you have the shaman.
NathanTB May 12th 2009 12:49PM
I might be completely off the mark on this...
But how about this - other races generally don't have Paladins-in-name, because Paladins are a social construct of humanity? In the aftermath of a devastating war with another looming on the horizon, some human Priests decided that they needed to train in the art of war, to become more rounded and useful to their race. They engaged in a specific regimen of training under a specific ideology, and when they decided they were done, they were something that hadn't been called as such before.
Other races don't have many Paladins because Paladins embody a cultural development for humanity. If other races find something they admire in that dogma and decide to develop in that way themselves there's nothing stopping them, but it's kind of like that white guy from the Michigan suburbs who goes to the black Southern Baptist church - he stands out. Because he wasn't raised or targeted to be in that atmosphere.
Other races just don't have Paladins because culturally they haven't been brought into the mindset of adhering to the specific rituals and beliefs that would cause them to be considered a Paladin in the Human sense. With that said, does that mean that there aren't individuals of other races who might fit in the typical mold of what could be considered a Paladin? Of course not - the virtues of righteousness, reverence, honor, etc. that Paladinhood espouts are beyond racial lines. Night Elves probably have soldiers who have many of the idealized qualities, but they probably wouldn't consider themselves Paladins because their worship is focused on a different entity (or the same entity under a different name, but that's up to debate).
Mr42 May 12th 2009 1:16PM
@"I do not like the lore answer provided for why we do not see Paladins of Night Elves or Trolls."
As it was already stated, lore-wise, there _are_ Night Elf and Troll paladins, they are just extremely rare, as paladin means pure light.
Furthermore, Alex has stated, that a Night Elven priest wanting to be more viable in physical combat would be more likely to become a "priest hunter" than "priest warrior" and Priestess fo the Moon is wholly different from a Paladin (unlike the Light-praising vs. Elune-praising priest: both are spiritual, healing classes).
Then, as another commenter already said: Troll paladin = shaman, that's pretty much it. Of all the races, I would find trolls one of (in not The) least likely to form a connection to the Light, but that might be (and probably is) just my opinion. Still, as with elves, i would imagine trolls to find ranged combat more appealing (we get troll warriors in wow, but i hardly remember any in previous warcrafts).
Undead are probably the most tricky, as they are basically Humans v2.0. Still, forsaken revenge-driven state of mind makes them more suitable for adapting DeathKnight-ish warfare.
All of those are possible, just not frequent for various (and not just these) reasons. Why don't we get to see paladins of other races? Same reason we don't get to see Orc Druids, for instance (they have shamans, so there is a certain connection with Nature: why not druids?). If a troll can be mage, why not warlock?
MoarHeroisms May 11th 2009 8:00PM
Why are all black dragons so friggin' angry? Did Neltharion's corruption make them that way or were they all punted by ogres as whelps?