Totem Talk: Mystery DPS leak?

I find this interesting because it's illustrative of the complexity of the game itself and also of the elemental shaman and the way the class interacts with others for its damage potential. We can assume that the damage loss moving from Naxxramas to Ulduar is real, because the developers are already hotfixing a change to compensate for it (something they have not done for other classes that have demonstrated DPS loss in Ulduar) and so we're left with something of a mystery. Why is elemental shaman DPS decreasing since patch 3.1?
I won't pretend I know better than anyone else. If the people who work to predict and design these systems didn't see this one coming, and it's not due to an obvious nerf (which it's not) then it baffles me. But we can still muse about possible culprits. (By we, I really mean we here. I want to see what you guys think, because I have to admit, I cannot figure this out. I've looked at raid WWS for my guild and our elemental shaman does seem to be lower, but he and I discussed it and he has no more of a clue than I do. Since all my gear is resto, I offspec elemental but am by no means an expert yet.)
One candidate that was proposed was that elemental hasn't changed, but that other DPS (like rogues and feral druids) simply improved. While it's true that several classes are dominating DPS in this patch, I don't think we can really place the blame here. It's one thing to notice other people are out-DPSing you more than previously, but that wouldn't create the belief (which again is backed up by Blizzard's own change to the class) that elemental shaman dps is decreasing. Instead, you'd see "My DPS doesn't match up to X" posts. While the power of perception is indeed capable of influencing people's beliefs without relation to what is really happening, it would have to be a huge shift for people to feel they were actually losing DPS, not merely failing to progress as much as others. It's plausible, but not very compelling.
Another possibility is in the nature of the fights in Ulduar. This ignores i started to get better gear from Ulduar and i hit for less on same mobs with same buffs but we'll consider it for now. Is it merely the nature of fights in the new raid, which call for more mobility than Naxx? I don't know that I buy this. Sure, there are several fights in Ulduar with mobility concerns (Iron Council, Ignis, Kologarn with the eyebeams and being grabbed, Mimiron with the Leviathan-style Barrage to name just a few) but elemental shamans are hardly the only ranged casters with cast times to consider in fights like these. Being at range, you'd expect less interruption for them than, say, a paladin or warrior. We can't discount the nature of Ulduar fights but we also can't consider it a case closed for the mystery, either.
Losing 5% crit from Improved Scorch strikes me as the least likely option. Frankly, elemental shamans don't really need to worry about crit as much as other crit dependent casters, because it it's really important to crit they can jack up their critical strike chance with Elemental Mastery or force a crit with a Flame Shock/Lava Burst combination. It's not impossible that the Improved Scorch change is to blame here, but if it was, why wouldn't it affect other casters in the same way? Elemental shamans are hardly the only DPS casters who like to crit. GC himself notes that boomkin and warlocks who also rely on crit to some extent didn't see any recent downturn, so to me Improved Scorch serves more as a red herring for elemental shaman DPS downturn than an actual suspect.
What about gear? Is gear the issue here? Our original poster mentioned that her DPS decreased once she began accumulating better gear from Ulduar. Is the culprit a loss of set bonuses? Without knowing what pieces of Ulduar gear have been equipped (an armory search for the OP's name didn't turn up much at the time of posting) we can at least look back to our discussion of Ulduar set gear for shamans. especially our comparison of the various tier 7 and 8 sets, we can see that the Worldbreaker set in no way loses you anything you'd want as an elemental shaman. And looking at non set gear, this comparison of an Ulduar 10 chestplate with our Naxx 25 elemental set piece shows that you'd certainly not expect a huge loss for equipping it. Losing 3 crit rating and 2 sockets for 10 int, 24 haste and 10 spell power seems like a very fair trade. It's even more so when you include this 25 man elemental BP into the mix. (I admit now that it's not entirely a fair comparison, as that's a Yogg-Saron drop, but it's not a hard mode drop, and Yogg is difficult but certainly killable as many guilds are in the process of discovering.) So while a loss of set bonuses might explain some of the DPS drain, the gear itself certainly seems set up to contribute DPS, not penalize you for it.
Perhaps it's all of these reasons contributing at once. The crit loss from Improved Scorch, changing itemization, new fight mechanics, and other classes seeing dramatic improvement combine in a perfect storm of dps issues for elemental. None of them able to explain the overall dip by themselves or even able to cause much of a change, but like the fall of a leaf in chaos theory the path becomes harder and harder to predict as each new variable is introduced. Would this be self correcting? It's impossible to say, but clearly since a buff has already been hotfixed into the game it seems that at least someone at Blizzard doesn't think so. Will a 13% increase in the chance of Lightning Overload procs be enough, too much, or just right like the last bowl of porridge a golden haired little girl stole from innocent, sleepy bears? Is this a minor course correction or will we end up seeing elemental DPS inflate once whatever mystery condition is at work ceases?
I'm not terribly worried about that, because I expect even with this change elemental DPS will be solidly in the middle of the casters, neither lowest nor highest. I won't pretend I wouldn't rather be underestimating it, but we'll see what shakes out.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 3)
Robert M May 15th 2009 3:13PM
Can a brother not get a horde shaman for one of these posts?
Matthew Rossi May 15th 2009 3:24PM
For gameplay, I don't see how it matters. I'm not playing my orc shammy that much nowadays, I'm sorry to say. Just no time to really give both factions justice.
If you're really desperate to see a hordie up here, feel free to email me screenshots of your tauren, orc or troll shaman and if I like them I could use them. I don't promise anything but it's not like it would hurt me either.
Robert M May 15th 2009 3:31PM
It doens't really matter for gameplay purposes, but shaman still have a very horde feel to them. I know the lore that Blizzard tied into giving pallies to the horde and shaman to the alliance, but there is just a feel about each of the classes that speaks more to their original faction to me for some reason.
Great post as always though Rossi!
Amaxe May 16th 2009 12:16AM
Let's see... choice of looking at a Horde, choice of looking at a female Draenei. I'll take door number 2.
Yaikage May 16th 2009 3:19PM
No way man, troll shamans are smexy.
Trademark May 15th 2009 3:18PM
I know a few weeks ago, EJ was buzzing about LvB damage being low, which I tend to agree with, but Blizzard says there aren't really any problems. I'm inclined to agree with you and say its a number of factors.
AishaLove May 15th 2009 3:17PM
By DPS leak I thought it was a bug allowing someone to generate near endless DPS because of a "leak" similar to a memory leak in games and programs.
MeanGreen May 15th 2009 3:18PM
So many, spacecows, my thundercow needs some love, yo
Robert M May 15th 2009 3:35PM
Shatner is that you?
AyaJulia May 15th 2009 5:03PM
That could ALMOST be a shaman haiku.
So many spacecows
My thundercow needs some love
It's Bloodlust dammit
ElDraco May 15th 2009 3:25PM
As duel spec resto/ele, I have been able to run 10 man Ulduar quite a bit, but mostly resto. I honestly thought I had lost something and did feel my DPS was lacking from my 25 Naxx days when I could run mostly strict ele. I even pst'd a former guildy last night about it, and have noticed the DPS strides some other in our core group have made with SLIGHT Ulduar upgrades (i.e. moving from the top 25 Naxx to 10 Ulduar gear), but had chalked it up to learning and fights and the lack of stand and pew-pew (or, P3W-2 since we are on to Ulduar). I don't have complete comfirmation that this isn't the case, as my time in 25 Naxx has been spent more paly tanking, but I am interested to see how much, if any, the difference in DPS is in Naxx 25 currently compared to Uldaur.
I have very little to go on to, but I'm almost wondering if it's not a function of the hit % not working correctly for shammy's, as it seems like the DPS drop I'm seeing currently is roughly equivilent to the times I mis-equip my raiding w/ a SP gear over using the correct gear when they are not in the group. Wish I had WWS to back this up and see if I was actually missing more, but besides a program bug or somehow all the mobs being more resistant to shammy damage I have no other good explanation either.
superscott May 15th 2009 3:28PM
it's probably a bunch of factors, like re-glyphing, loss of 4pc and some of the amazing stats of cloth items going to clothy types right out of the gate.
like the Ej thread kinda points out, nothing is "broke" (at this point) it just kinda looks like the perfect storm of changes made things just seem off.
for all we know the 4pc T7 was "broken" and inflating the LvB damage.
Quark1020 May 15th 2009 3:28PM
Is it possible that some of the mobs/bosses may have a slight resistance to nature damage? I heard our shaman who raids with us mention something about that.
Robert M May 15th 2009 3:40PM
Interesting possibility, but I would guess if that was the case, then a boomkin would find a loss in dps, albeit not as great as a shaman, because of the nature damage they do.
zweitblom May 15th 2009 3:44PM
Then the boomkins would notice a drop as well, no?
Karossar May 15th 2009 3:34PM
I noticed myself a huge drop of 400-600 DPS since the patch not in Ulduar but in Naxx 25 going from 3300-3500 to 2600-2800
I had not changed any gear but yet my DPS suffered so much that I just gave up and started lvling my Lock :)
Robert M May 15th 2009 3:38PM
Interesting possibility, but I would guess if that was the case, then a boomkin would find a loss in dps, albeit not as great as a shaman, because of the nature damage they do.
Bashael May 15th 2009 3:44PM
Look out of the "raid movements"
When questing in IC, killing npcs for Ebon Blade's daily quests, with the same items (no, I never got full T7, only shoulder and kilt), I hit easy the mobs with 9k LvB... after 3.1 my top damage, doing the same quests, hardly cap 7.5k
What is the problem now?
My cast sequence? Well... Cast LB, FS and LvB isn't hard than I can forget how to do it.
Need I move my self to cast 3 skills? Then the problem isn't my movement.
Matthew Rossi May 15th 2009 3:55PM
Hmm. That's interesting. I hadn't heard about people having lower DPS while questing. Can you/Have you reported it to Blizz? It could help them figure out what's going on.
Thromanan May 15th 2009 5:18PM
^^^^ This.
Pre3.1 dailies and questing in pre heroic gear, I distinctly remember getting 8k LvB crits and thinking that once i got some Heroic/Naxx 10 gear, that Lava Burst was going to be insane. It never got much if any better. So i went resto. Then tried to dual spec as elemental, and go questing in icecrown and was getting 6-7k lava bursts. It was easier to craft some swiftarrow gear, run a couple of heroics and build an enhancement set to do quests than to continue with elemental.