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5-18-2009 @ 11:20AM
I quote:"I'm really sick of pugging Ulduar and getting stuck on kologarn cause either healers or the other tanks fail."It's always the others and certainly the healers and the tanks isn't it ?LOLI am fed up with my healer. I only play DPS as of tomorrow.And then they wonder why they don't find healers and tanks in dungeons.LOL
5-18-2009 @ 11:26AM
i think his attacks on the tanks were made cause he feels he can tank better but just insnt being allowedhis attacks on the healers however....unforgivable
5-18-2009 @ 11:47AM
Yeah, this jumped out at me as did the comment about the other 80s in his guild aren't skilled in the least. Look in the mirror buddy... wit your attitude, I wonder if the issue is that people don't want to raid with someone so damn negative.
5-18-2009 @ 12:15PM
Actually, I think it's important to look closely at what he is saying--he's noting that *pugging* yields questionable results in terms of the other tanks & healers. While there are always multiple sides to every story, I think it's important to acknowledge there is a great deal of truth to this.I was in a pug Naxx this weekend on an alt with the most horrible DK "tank". While I won't go into the numerous ways in which this tank was horrible (and they are many), the other tanks and healers found it incredibly frustrating to work with this person. Never forget that with the increase in "casualization" of the game, it's far easier for baddies or those who are simply new and inexperienced (they are different things) to waltz into pug runs these days, so I think the claim that the tank has encountered awful healers & tanks is probably not so far fetched.
5-18-2009 @ 12:35PM
It's always somebody else's fault, didn't you know that? You can be the T7 elemental shaman doing 800 DPS in Ulduar and it's still not your fault the raid can't meet the enrage timer. Or being the keyboard-turning mutilation rogue who rolled Need on Fool's Bane back in Karazhan, or the hunter who gemmed for +Spirit... you could be any of these, and it's still never your fault. Just like everyone in the slammer was innocent.
5-18-2009 @ 12:43PM
He's talking about Pug's. Frequently, both roles are being filled by folks who think they can do it but don't know what it entails.Emalon is a more basic example, but I was in a failed pug as a healer. The MT was capable and I'd raid with him/her any day. The raid leader was OT, and said he/she knew the fight and had done it before. He/she left out that they'd dps'ed it and it wasn't until he got defensive said "I'm DEF capped!" as a response to when folks asked why he was so squishy, that it was clear he "had tank gear" but wasn't a tank. We had a strong paly healer and disc priest focused on him, who were successful in Ulduar, struggling to keep up even with my Hots. This is common to a lot of the pugs I've seen. Failed dps is survivable in a pug. Failed tanks or heals will kill you, not the boss
5-18-2009 @ 1:48PM
PUGs are their own special brand of world.I tried PUGing OS-10 last night. I've got 2 naxx tanks, so while one went with the guild, the other wasn't saved and I figured, this'll be easy and a quick few emblems.First off we had a person quit when the raid lead said we were going to do it with 0 drakes up. To me, that was just fine - a PUG is not where you go to get achievements. Make the encounter as simple as possible so we can just farm emblems and get out.But we zone in and I pull the first drake - left side, and its a near instant wipe - not one of the people entered the portal, and several went down from standing in the blue voids. many of these were people who complained about the above 0-drakes ruling.IE: They'd read about the achievement, wanted it, but had never been in OS. They missed the most basic part of the strat. Me? I think I knew the mini-raid second best of the group, and this was my third time ever in there (the night my guild farms OS is a night I don't play WoW - so its kind of become a place the OTs and newbies can gear up).Second try, almost the same result. This time everyone but one healer. me, and the OT enters the portal. Well, OT dies maybe 30 secs later from standing in a blue void. And of course everyone else dies because they entered the portal and had no tank...That's kind of typical for a PUG.You get lots of people who feel they're GTG, but haven't read the strats, refuse to accept blame for obvious mistakes, and simply feel because they've been good up to now they can farm anything at its highest difficulty for achievements.You also get a lot of people on alt-roles in PUGs. A guild tank on his healer or DPS, a DPS trying out a tank or healer, or a healer trying a tank or DPS. They often have an over-developed sense of their abilities. They're good in their usual role, but haven't really learned their alt - even at level 80, as much as they think they have.Once you get used to running with your usual team, PUGs start to feel more and more rough.If you're solution to not being able to be a guild tank is to become a PUG tank, then well - you're going to be dealing with a lot of bad play, and you probably can rightly blame many of the others. But if that tank is your alt, there are good odds you're not much better than your fellow PUG mates.
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