Officers' Quarters: Last will and testament

Every Monday Scott Andrews contributes Officers' Quarters, a column about the ins and outs of guild leadership.
As people approach the end of their lives, they often think about how they will bestow their wealth and possessions, what is called their "estate." Guilds likewise have an estate in the form of their bank: BOEs, consumables, mats, all sorts of miscellaneous items, and potentially thousands in gold. Most guilds have an awful lot of stuff in there. So who gets what if the guild goes six-feet under? This week, a reader asks how to go about dividing it all up.
I'm in a "progression" guild and we are in the tough situation that we were doing good in Ulduar until Final Exams came up for many of our raiders. [. . .] Over the course of a 2 week break, the amount of raiding actually completed was dismal due to low attendance [. . .] The GM and RL logged on basically to say that they were taking an indefinite break from the game, and as soon as this happened, one of our tanks left for greener pastures, leaving us with only one tank (Me being the "MT" and the RL being another tank).
On our guild website, this was posted by 3 of the officers:
Well you have all been wondering what state the guild is in, so I'm here to address the guild and let you know. [. . .]
We're going to give [our guild] another week to pull together a 25 man raid. if we're unable to get together a 25 man and make some successful runs in Ulduar next week, it's safe to say that we're going to fold, and you will all be free to explore your other options. [. . .]
So, if you want this guild to come back together and be like it was 2 months ago, show up next week with your game face and let's do some damage in Ulduar. I think then it will be a clear sign to the rest of the leadership that it's worth pushing forward
--The Officers
Since it's not looking good, a lot of people are worried about the gbank -- what's going to happen to it? [. . .] Of the handful of guildies that I personally have spoken to in the past few days, they would like to see it get broken up and given to the raiders that contributed something: time, mats, repair bills, gold, etc... and would really be unhappy if it all suddenly disappeared to another server.
But it raises new questions: how does the bank get split up? Does everyone that has been reliable to showing up to raids and put forth 100% get an equal share, or does the money get split up by who has deposited what? [. . .]
I greatly appreciate any suggestions you and the WoW Insider readers can provide, and feel free to ask if there is anything that seems vague or needs clarifying.
--VSUReaper
It sounds like what your guilds needs is a will: an official posting by the officers saying that, in the event that the guild does not survive, the bank funds and items will be divided in a certain way. It should be a solution that the majority of the guild feels comfortable with, so there's less temptation for someone to walk away with the entire thing.
I've definitely heard of guild leaders who kick out every other member in the middle of the night, transfer servers, and walk away with the entire bank. However, such cases are rare (and despicable).
In a normal situation, it may not hurt for a guild to write such a provision into its policies, to cover any eventuality. In Reaper's situation, it makes even more sense, since the officers have acknowledged that closing up shop is a real possibility.
So the question remains: How to divide up the bank?
Your first provision could be to allow anyone who made a personal contribution to the bank the option to retrieve it. Any item they personally farmed and donated should be returned to them.
If you go to the WoW Armory, you can see a good number of recent transactions. My current guild's bank page goes back to early April, with over 400 deposits and withdrawals listed during that time. You can sort the list by several parameters, including by donor. If you have doubts about whether someone really contributed what they said they did, one place to check would be the list of all the deposits they've made in the past month. If their item isn't listed there, you can still get a sense for how often they were placing items in the vault and what sorts of things they were most likely to contribute.
Your second provision could be that everything that was gained as a result of raiding will be split up evenly among all active raiders. That list could include BOEs, shards, Runed Orbs, epic recipes, rare gems from mining enemies, flasks and herbs from the Alchemist's Cache, etc. If you have a lot of shards, it's probably easy to divide them somewhat evenly. The other stuff could potentially be a mess.
If you have a DKP system, one way to decide who gets what could be to give the best items to the players with the most lifetime points earned, and then work your way down the list.
Another way would be to schedule one night where the most people can be online. Form a raid and have everyone roll. If you have a lot of people, you could do 1-1000 to prevent a bunch of ties. Give the best items to the highest rolls, next-best to lower rolls, and so on.
This sort of thing has the potential to get out of hand. Don't let people haggle with you about what's better, or you'll be there all night. Just tell them to trade with other people if they both want to. If the situation deteriorates, screenshot the numbers, explain that everything will be sent out tomorrow, and log off.
You can also just auction everything, thereby liquidating your fortune into an easily divisible pile of gold coins. Speaking of gold, you might have quite a large sum in your bank that must be assigned. The answer to this conundrum depends on how all that gold got there.
If it came from personal contributions, give back what was donated. But if it came from selling raid-drop BOEs or outsiders paying you for Zul'Aman bear runs during TBC, then you should divide it among the active raiders. Either way, your third provision should account for this gold and who will receive what, should the guild fold.
Overall, you could consider giving more of everything to officers, raid leaders, and your highest-attending members, in recognition of their efforts. But I wouldn't say it's necessary to do so, and it could stir up drama to single out individuals.
Avoiding drama during this process will be a challenge. Whenever money is at stake, arguments seem to get more heated than they normally would. I'd encourage your guild to err on the side of fairness, even if that means some people get more than they deserve. When your policies favor fairness, it makes anyone who argues against them sound like a selfish jerk.
Hopefully, Reaper, your guild will shake off the cobwebs and soldier on. Then you won't have to worry about it.
Has anyone out there gone through this process? How did your guild handle it?
/salute
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 3)
Erogroth May 18th 2009 1:18PM
Some people have no patience what so ever. This happens to every guild about 2 or 3 times a year. During holidays, mid-terms, and finals. People have lives outside the game and need to take a short break to focus on what is important. It by no means is the end of there wow days just a short break. Once the finals are over which many are now everyone comes back and things settle down. The problem is when those who do not need that break loose heart and quit. Then when everyone comes back they are without that leadership and solid foundation. Then stuff falls apart.
When your members have RL stuff going on just give them the time and respect they need and it will all come back together in the end.
nist7 May 18th 2009 1:47PM
Agreed.
If a guild folds due to people having RL obligations over WoW for 2/3 weeks then that guild is pretty fail.
Bronwyn May 18th 2009 3:27PM
Agreed. Nothing else to add, really.
Tethra May 18th 2009 3:51PM
Yeah this is why I'm glad I'm in a guild that understands RL has priority over WoW.
Obi-Habby May 18th 2009 7:16PM
My guild goes through this cycle every christmas season. There is always some gung-ho hardcore raider that can't wrap his mind around not raiding to 2-3 lockouts. It may have something to do with there only being 52 raids a year, but still its not the end of the world.
After that is done January is kind of like the NBA Draft or the WWE Draft in that you just have to replace those people who couldnt wait.
Cthulu May 18th 2009 1:19PM
Sad to see the drama of a guild ending. It is never easy but in the end sometimes it is a great opportunity to move on to a better place. So look forward to making new friends and killing new bosses. But in the end, there will be drama so just plan on it and dont' sweat it and divy that gbank up if at all possible.
Nanao May 18th 2009 1:20PM
We didn't "handle" it.
The GMs wouldn't help either - apparently the new leader when the old one left had 'total right' to clear out the bank and kick everyone...
dawnseven May 18th 2009 1:26PM
Forget the armory guild log. There's apparently no way to go back to previous groups anymore and you can only see your current "group" of (1000ish) transactions. Once it rolls over, it's gone. Try as I might, I can't figure out why they changed it. It used to be a complete history. We recently 'rolled over' into a new group and can now only see transactions since May 9th. For small guilds it may be no big deal, but for large guilds with more than 100 transactions a day, it sucks.
Jamison May 18th 2009 1:52PM
When a guild I was in broke up last year we opened up the floor for people to request certain rare items that were in there, and then the GM and officers would make a determination (rare BoE's and such, not mats like orbs). Otherwise most everything was auctioned off and the proceeds split between the guild members.
moxie May 18th 2009 1:59PM
I'm still not believing that this guild (actually, it sounds like these officers) are freaking out over people needing a few weeks to get through exams and RL stuff. It sounds like they might have been getting burnt out anyway and they're using this as a good excuse to walk away.
If the officers can't hold out for 2-3 weeks to let people get through exams/holidays, then they are epic fail.
Ayasu May 18th 2009 2:24PM
I totally agree. As the equivalent of a former guild leader on another game, I have to agree that sometimes, taking a week or three off from events can be a refresher for a guild, not a foot in the grave. G
ive people some time off to level other things, relax, take care of their RL stuff, and then when they are ready to come back, sometimes you'll have lost some people, but what you'll be left with are people ready to jump back into things.
Rob May 18th 2009 2:01PM
I think bank access is a mark of a good guild. My old guild, we had no access to the bank, whatsoever. Requests were usually ignored. Safe to say i didn't do much donating.
Now I am the bank officer and make sure to cycle things through on a weekly basis. If its older than a week, try to get rid of it. Also all members have limited access to all but the rare tab. (where purples/blues etc go).
Windswept May 18th 2009 2:04PM
It was easy for me. The guild all left so I figured what the hey, and took it all. AFTER they left the come back to me asking for goods from the gbank......lulz
Priestess May 18th 2009 2:10PM
It sounds like the writer is either an officer or someone that the others are looking to at this time. Could he perhaps offer to take up the reigns and weather the dip in attendance? The current leaders seem very undedicated, unlike this person. When my guild almost did the same, I stepped up and helped take over. We are thriving now, and don't fold every time finals and holidays show up even though we see the phenomenon he's describing. This could be an option for him, if he's interested.
Lyraat May 18th 2009 2:16PM
@haters in comments: Sounds like there are other factors eating away at the guild than just "we need a break to handle RL." Whatever, it happens. Be thankful it hasn't happened to your guild.
I like what Scott proposed, especially the take-what-you-donated idea. If someone donated something to be used by the guild and the guild is no more, give it back. For simplicity's sake, liquify all assets via the AH, divide gold evenly among all members.
How about a silent auction for some of the pricier items? Runed Orbs, for example, are worth more than the gold they sell for if you need them. Let people bid on them over the course of a week, bids go to an officer (take screenshots when mailing bids :D), item goes to the highest bidder. Once all the money is collected, divy the gold equally among everyone. Yes, that means people will get some of their own gold back, but most will end up with others; everyone wins :D Silent auction over live auction because not everyone can be on at the same time. Anything that doesn't sell is sent to the AH, money divided among all members.
Quick math: high bid on Runed Orb is 1500g, guild has 25 members, each member gets 60g from the sale, so the effective sold price is 1440g. Call it "guild discount" :D
If ranks are important (depends on the guild), the higher the rank, the more they get.
Christoffer May 18th 2009 2:45PM
Raffle off items in your guild bank.. lawlz...
Or do a huge /roll fest, I would do that at least for my guildies
Naix May 18th 2009 2:48PM
I would lock the entire bank, cancel my account, and when the next expansion/challenging patch comes out be the big winner.
kia May 18th 2009 7:35PM
Pro tip: if the GL doesn't log on to their account for 30 days, the other guild members can petition a GM to have GL transferred. So... yeah... that wouldn't work ;)
As for what to do with a well-stocked guild bank when the guild folds, when the most progressed guild on my server folded when the GM and officers all left uni and had to get real jobs and they could no longer be bothered with WoW, they held a 'public auction' for the goods, it was a bit of a social event/'farewell' for the server, and the proceeds were split among the remaining guildies who had decided to keep playing.
Zanathos May 19th 2009 1:43PM
Well he could just boot out all the other members first, that'd solve the problem of petitioning GMs :P
I thought the more serious flaw in the plan was waiting till the next expansion to use the contents of the bank. Who's going to care about what's stored there then? Yes, it'll all be worth something, but stockpiling Abyss crystals and Wrath mats for the next expansion isn't going to make you rich
Naix May 19th 2009 3:34PM
Good plan.
1. Lock everyone out
2. Tell everyone your quitting the game
3. Kick everyone out that has not already quit
4. Come back in a few months/when you feel like playing
5. Win