Where in time is Azeroth?
There's a great question fluttering around the community lately: just when are we anyway? It's a good one for the Lore Nerd, actually, and maybe he can answer it in more detail than I can, but it's almost a question of relativity as much as it is of lore. The official lore says that World of Warcraft takes place four years after Warcraft III (hence the reason for the "four years have passed..." in the opening cinematic). And since then, we've heard from Blizzard that they consider every expansion to be another year in the history of Azeroth -- Burning Crusade takes place a year after the original game, and Wrath of the Lich King two years after that. But when, for example, did Van Cleef fall? Has it been just under two years since his plan to attack Stormwind was defeated? And what about our characters -- you'd assume that if you started from level 1 today, the story would be beginning four years after the events of Warcraft III again, so have our characters aged two years since they first stepped foot out of Elwynn or Durotar? And we'll ignore that when you get to Orgrimmar, you might see Death Knights walking around, who technically won't join the Horde until two years in the future.See how confusing? Of course, the right answer to all of these questions is "it's just a game," but there are plenty of interesting thought experiments here. Time and story in the World of Warcraft aren't necessarily connected, which is why Blizzard can get away with things like having Kael'thas in two places at once, but still tripped up by things like getting Onyxia out of Stormwind. Phasing helps a little bit (and who knows what WoW would be like if Blizzard designed it from the ground up with phasing -- we'll have to wait for the next-gen MMO to see how that works). The official timeline has Arthas brooding in Icecrown for around six years. But just like real relativity, our characters have experienced that time period in all sorts of different ways.
Filed under: Analysis / Opinion, Events, Blizzard, Lore, NPCs






Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
MusedMoose May 18th 2009 8:10PM
I think what's really going to matter is not when in time WoW is, but when in time Warcraft IV will be. I'd expect WC4 to follow WoW, and to have significant changes happening that would make things in WoW very different. Therefore, after WC4, a new version of WoW would be necessary - such sweeping changes would mean either an expansion pack so massive it's effectively a new game, or WoW 2.
My personal guess is that WC4 is so far in the future (in *our* time) that by the time it comes out, WoW 2 won't be too far behind, and WoW 2 will take place after WC4.
This is, of course, all speculation, but I'd bet money that Blizzard not only has considered this but has it planned out. *grin*
Hansbo May 18th 2009 8:16PM
That is probably what will happen, seeing as an RTS with a linear story is a good way to change the setting somewhat for a sequel to WoW.
However:
Wouldn't it be cool if they actually developed WC4 and WoW 2 at the same time? So the events of WC4 could be seen in WoW 2 in some way, as happening at the same time?
Imagine beginning questing in Lordaeron during the first scourge outbreak for example, or being part of the first horde expedition into Kalimdor. It's things like that I mean.
This would require massive phasing, and even with some great thinking behind it, I'm not sure it would work out. If blizzard did manage to do that though (and if anyone can, it's them), it would be so awesome.
Artificial May 18th 2009 9:37PM
That's one possibility, but it could also be there's just never going to be a WC4. WC3 was actually a bit of a disappointment. I suspect at this point they've passed the RTS baton to the StarCraft universe, and the WarCraft universe will carry one purely through WoW and its sequels.
OIK2 May 19th 2009 12:18AM
Or make WC4 be the events in WoW, to cement them in a steady flow of time and story, end it with a world changing event(can't have the ending given away when the game comes out), and then follow with WoW2 picking up right after this climax.
winks May 19th 2009 6:09AM
why make a "WOW2" sound pretty lame to me when they could just do another expansion or drop the game. war4? don't see it coming. remember ghost? yep. blizz is trying to make NEW games not keeping up with old ones the warcraft series will die when wow does sorry, i am not trying to trash anything(i like warcraft too) but things die.
thevitruvianman May 19th 2009 7:01AM
I'm sorry, but I find it laughable that people seriously think Blizz will just drop the Warcraft series and let it die. Are you guys crazy or just on crack?
Warcraft is one of the biggest game series ever made, and WoW is far and away the most popular MMO ever. There are ridiculous amounts of spin-off material, comics, books, card game, miniatures game and even a film in the works. The Warcraft intellectual property is worth millions of dollars. Abandoning the series would be like Square announcing they are never making any more Final Fantasy games, or Eidos stating that Tomb Raider is dead. There would be uproar, and they would be basically throwing millions of potential dollars down the toilet.
Also, the guy that said WC3 was disappointing.... for you, perhaps, but for everyone else it was a genre-defining game. It remains one of the best selling RTS games ever made, and it was released to pretty much universal critical acclaim. The storyline in particular was amazing, and it took the bar set by Blizzard's previous games and set it that much higher.
As for WoW, it's not going anywhere anytime soon. Ultima Online is still going 12 years after it's release, and although it was a revolutionary MMO, it was never anywhere near as popular as WoW. WoW will continue on for many years yet, and it's clear that Blizz have several more expansions planned for it. At the current rate of release, WoW probably has at least a few more years of receiving regular expansions and new content. Even after they stop releasing new stuff for it, the WoW servers will likely stay up for many years longer, as long as Blizzard can make a profit from it, I guess.
WC4 will come eventually because there is demand for it. It's a guaranteed best seller, and I'm sure that Blizz will eventually want to further the story of Warcraft with a new title. WoW is all well and good but it doesn't have the same epic scale as the RTS games (think how fundamentally Azeroth is changed in each of those titles, and how that compares to the relatively static Azeroth we see in WoW), and Blizz will eventually want to move the story on.
WoW 2 is debateable..... my guess is that it will probably happen one day (most successful MMO titles seem to spawn a sequel of some sort eventually), but that day will be a very long time from now. It actually blows my mind to think what WoW 2 could be like. However, they will need to change the world dramatically before they can release a sequel to WoW. Given how many villians we will have offed by the end of WoW, WC4 will need to introduce new ones (much as WC3 introduced the Scourge), and the world will have to be changed greatly in order to avoid the game simply being a remake of WoW with nicer graphics and improved gameplay.
On the other hand, they might never make an MMO sequel to WoW, but either way there's no way they are just going to drop Warcraft and never revisit it. It just represents far too much time, money and effort to Blizz.
Magic May 19th 2009 4:17PM
Heed the words of Da Vinci's anatomical drawing, for from all of his orifices and pores spews wisdom!
DM7000 May 18th 2009 8:15PM
It's an interesting thing to think about but it just boils down to suspension of disbelief. It's a game can't think too much.
Also does anyone know why a group of realms are down? The US realms Nordrassil, Winterhoof, Wyrmrest Accord and a few others are offline.
Wes Grogan May 18th 2009 8:27PM
No idea why the realms are down.. I'm on WA myself.. wish they worked!
Icedragon May 18th 2009 8:33PM
Not a clue, but it looks like they crashed. Moon Guard kicked the bucket too and it's not up yet...nor is there anything on the login screen right now.
Ash May 18th 2009 8:39PM
Drenden is down, too.
At least my guild has vent :/
Wes Grogan May 18th 2009 8:46PM
Rats. And here I had an enjoyable five seconds of swimming through the air before the crash, too!
ARMORz May 18th 2009 8:14PM
hmm what if our characters aged...
Draol May 18th 2009 8:37PM
I did that with the barber shop.
Seemed logical.
Justin May 18th 2009 8:21PM
I *like* that questing in the old world or rolling a new toon is essentially like traveling back in time. Far be it from being one of WoW's faults, it's one of the things I really enjoy.
It's true that phasing provides a much-needed sense of accomplishment to WoW and the MMO genre in general (nothing more disheartening to killed a named mob, loot his head/paw/whatever, only for him to respawn before you even leave the area).
But in a weird way, knowing that Elwynn Forest will FOREVER remain unchanged makes me feel (in an odd way) warm and fuzzy, too. A lack of permanence in any MMO makes me feel uneasy.
Irradiate May 18th 2009 8:42PM
I felt this way about Majora's Mask. You go through the dungeons, fix everything up, and then have to travel back in time to when it's all run down again. Phasing is great in that respect, as you actually "fix" stuff, and change the world around you.
One thing I've always wondered about is the night sky in WoW. Are there constellations visible from Azeroth? Google searches haven't revealed anything, but I'd love to see if someone ahs mapped the star clusters in the WoW night sky.
Eddie May 19th 2009 1:58AM
YOU NO TAKE CANDLE!!!
shyrt May 18th 2009 8:40PM
I'm sure this question has plagued our minds at some point in playing WoW. I thought of an RP approach to it and to simply only focus on what i play in the game and when i do it and not counting when i repeat things on that character.
For example, you start to play a character during vanilla WoW, you down everything except MC. That's when you killed them, and killing them a second time only helps your gear. WotLK shows up and finally decide to down Old Rag and you kill him. That's when you kill him, and killing him again is only for fun.
That's the way i like to think about the WoW time-line. I'm sure it has its downs but I like to think in this perspective. :)
Keyra May 18th 2009 8:55PM
A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away...
...um...wait...
Saix May 18th 2009 9:44PM
Tell me where, in time, is Carmen Sandiego?