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5-21-2009 @ 1:13PM
Not first.Anyway, Oculus is one of those places you go to just to get the achievement, and then NEVER return to. HoS is about the same. Even if the drops for some classes are godly off of their respective final bosses, better can be gotten out of entry-level raid content with less hair-pulling.I've also seen Herald Volazj two-manned because the clothies all died due to the insanity adds, and since the dead party members don't show up for the next installment of Insanity, the two remaining can burst right through 'em. He took a little while to die when this happens, but at least he dies.
5-21-2009 @ 1:23PM
Your first sentence here makes me wonder if we can differentiate between the number of mains and alts at 80 somewhat using these numbers. People will usually spend more time trying to get their mains achievements and titles, but I don't know if that accounts for the 40%-ish difference between completion rates on Oculus and VH. Or, to put it another way, do people go to the trouble of finishing all these dungeons at 80 only for their mains and avoiding the more difficult ones on their alts? Or are there so few alts at 80 right now that the numbers are an accurate reflection of peoples' dungeon preferences even on their mains? Armory data probably won't help here because we have no real means of differentiating between a main and an alt, but I think they're interesting questions.
5-21-2009 @ 1:58PM
Definitely a good question for a future article, I'd say. I'm not totally alt-obsessed, but I do have 3 80s so that I can tank, dps, or heal. When you've got guildies and friends who want to run undesirable dungeons such as Oculus and they need xyz role, I tend to fill it and get the completion achievements more as an afterthought than a true objective.But there are many folks who tend to just do these dungeons on their mains and then gear up their alts off Vault/Spider wing/etc. I do think Blizzard should take a look at this data though...if people aren't doing these instances, are there ways to make them suck less so that they'll get more visits (without nerfing them into faceroll mode)?
5-21-2009 @ 2:01PM
In regards to the low number of level 80 alts, I think a surprising amount of people have alts at that level already. I know of at least one person formerly in my guild who had 5 level 80s, and many of our raiders have at least one max level alt. There's also the Death Knight factor, which makes it easier to have a leveled alt.Essentially, this is all just saying that uncertainty over the data is more certain.
5-21-2009 @ 2:21PM
I think it helps that Oculus can take a very, very, very long time if even one person does not know what they're doing, as well as being all the way in the southwest corner of Northrend, and VH being a 30 min instance smack in the middle of Dalaran.
5-21-2009 @ 4:32PM
Except that UK, UP, and the Nexus are equally far away from Dalaran, but are among the most run heroics. I'm pretty sure distance has nothing to do with the disparity here.
5-22-2009 @ 5:22AM
Think Allison makes a good point here. For myself I ran heroics like crazy on my main, both to gear up and for achievments. On my Alt, it's here and there, rep items, crafted, etc. Achievments are not a concern at all. As further confirmation, my main went in heroic Oculus twice, completing it once, never again. My alt has never set foot in there and never will. Oddly my main has only done HoS once, but I really couldn't say why I never went back. I didn't dislike it, and obviously it didn't come close to the seething vitriolic hatred I hold in my now scarred and maimed soul for the Oculus.
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