Kinka of Spinebreaker
posts a question that I haven't seen anyone ask for a while; does the Horde really have more faction pride? Various reasons are this feeling are offered, from the lack of a strong Alliance-side leader (with Varian Wrynn feeling like a shoehorned, and
controversial claimant to that position), to the less unified Alliance leveling experience, to more philosophical assertions from Filara of Terenas concerning early Horde differences continuing to exercise an influence to this day. In classic WoW,
Filara observes, the Horde population on each server was typically small and outgunned. People knew each other, could network easily, banded together againt superior Alliance numbers in world PvP, and -- when battlegrounds became available -- could typically
get games significantly faster than their Alliance counterparts. Add the numbers up and it's easy to see how faction difference became part of WoW's conventional wisdom.
What interests me more is how rarely we see this question come up nowadays. During and shortly after classic WoW,
comparison of the two factions was both inevitable and the source of major fights on the forums. Despite being outnumbered on the vast majority of servers,
Horde routinely encountered more battleground success -- or so went the popular theory. As BC went on and the Alliance slowly lost a bit (though by no means all) of its population advantage thanks (let's be perfectly honest here) to the influx of Blood Elves to the Horde, it's possible that some of both factions' finer "cultural" distinctions have been somewhat eroded, if they ever existed at all.
Tags: alliance, battlegrounds, faction, faction-population, factions, horde, pvp
Filed under: Horde, Alliance, Analysis / Opinion, Forums, Battlegrounds
Reader Comments (Page 1 of 8)
Mep May 21st 2009 11:05AM
FOR THE HORDE!
Manatank May 21st 2009 1:04PM
Of all the silly things to take pride in, why would people choose an arbitrary faction in a video game? I've played on both factions. You encounter the same sorts of people on both sides. They are the same.
I guess its the same reason I never understand unwavering loyalty to professional sports teams, political parties, nations, etc. We all intuitively understand that individuals are imperfect. Why then do some people latch on to the obviously flawed concept that a large group of imperfect individuals could be perfect?
Skreeran May 21st 2009 1:57PM
FOR THE HORDE!
Jon Do May 21st 2009 2:46PM
FOR THE HORDE!
After all, living in the Deep South, how can you not love the Orcs for saying, "OKRA"?
"Yes ma'am - battered in corn meal and pan fried, and I'll take pulled pork barbeque sandwich and a glass of sweet tea and with that."
John May 22nd 2009 4:27PM
FOR THE HORDE!
All you have to do is go on to the RP section of the forum or spend 5 minutes on my server (Terokkar) to see Horde pride. I began WoW with neutral feelings towards both factions as a whole and a dislike of undead, now my main IS an undead and I am a Horde favoritist.
Mana your just asking to turn this into a flamefest so I won't specifically answer your question here. Your asking a question that spans thousands of years about a fictional universe that hasn't been around for long.
Manatank May 21st 2009 5:33PM
"asking to turn this into a flamefest"
You mean kind of like posting an article that begs for comments like "FOR THE HORDE"
Allison Robert May 21st 2009 5:45PM
Dude, Manatank, don't pin this one on me!
BoaHankokku May 21st 2009 9:49PM
To borrow from the late George Carlin's words:
"...I can never understand ethnic or national pride; cuz to me, pride should be reserved for something you achieve or attain on your own, not something that happens by accident at birth. Being Irish isn't a skill... it's a ----ing genetic accident! You wouldn't say 'I'm proud to be 5'11'', I'm proud to have a predisposition for colon cancer.' So why the ---- would you be proud to be Irish? Or proud to be Italian, or American or anything... hey, if you're happy with it, that's fine, [...] be happy, don't be proud. Too much pride as it is: 'pride goeth before a fall', never forget your proverbs."
That should illustrate Mana's point quite well here.
And I know, bleeping out the F word in a Carlin quote seems ironic, but hey, rules are rules.
peagle May 21st 2009 11:07AM
There are different factions? I thought we were all one big shattrath/dalaran love-fest of a family with identical classes vs. illidan or arthas, or whomever.
Mooghoul May 21st 2009 11:26AM
Exactly. We still hate the Alliance, but an annoying amount of time is spent in areas where we can't kill them (Shatt before, Dal/Argent now). It's like Blizz are buttering us up for a "You're all one big happy family now!" shark jump.
Eternauta May 21st 2009 11:31AM
Damn, another classic wow fanboy... ¬¬
Karilyn May 21st 2009 11:35AM
I also agree that it has more to do with Dalaran and Shattrah than anything else.
Cram all the Alliance and Horde into a single city, kinda makes friction between the two factions become softer with time. Ther'es no other word for it... You just get used to seeing Night Elves, Dwarves, Gnomes and Humans running around town.
I think Blizzard is really trying hard to push the idea that the average Horde and Alliance people are not supposed to have hatred between each other.
Walking through a Dalaran, it's really hard to imagine that these people hate each other, and would kill each other on the spot if it wasn't for the area being a Sanctuary.
dAnixx May 21st 2009 12:08PM
Watch the Ulduar trailer. Yep the Horde and the Alliance are doing a great job working together. (sarcasm)
Suzaku May 21st 2009 7:43PM
Level up and get to Icecrown. Or play on a PVP server anywhere where you're auto-flagged. Plenty of conflict.
Flint May 21st 2009 11:08AM
I dunno, I've had much more 'pride' and interest in my faction and its doings whenever I've done Alliance side quests, whereas with my tauren I didn't really get into any of the stuff of my own faction outside the occasional tauren quest - quite the opposite actually, I'd elope to Alliance's side with him as soon as possible if I could.
Belthatar May 21st 2009 11:47AM
NOW you're talking. It would make factions a lot more interesting if we had the option of betraying our faction (a la EQ2) with a long involved quest that could only be completed during early levels. Then some interesting inter- and intra-faction dynamics could develop (for/against betrayers of your faction, betrayers of the other faction, etc., etc.).
It's been a dream of mine for some time.
Unfortunately I realize that it represents very little value proposition for Blizzard, and so it's likely it won't happen. You don't need to remind me.
wayrachaki May 21st 2009 1:49PM
I have always wanted this option. It would make things much more interesting, and add a new twist to levelling alts.
Worcester May 21st 2009 2:48PM
If you think of both the Alliance and Horde equally, then you are an Alliance player.
And no, we do not want to play with you... except in the way that Patchwerk wants to play with you.
Sorry. That's just the way it is.
FOR THE HORDE!
Chrysanth May 21st 2009 11:10AM
I'm hardcore Alliance, and I agree with this article's points. :C We don't have a strong, charismatic leader like Thrall. Maybe if they would give Jaina Proudmoore a bigger role...hmm, I wonder why they haven't... ._.
emoser May 21st 2009 12:15PM
Without getting too far into the lore details (most of which I'm ignorant of), I suspect that Jaina doesn't take a more prominent role because she's sympathetic to Thrall and the Horde. If you had Thrall and Jaina leading the two factions, it would be more likely that they would be able to work out a more lasting peace...