Possible hidden mechanics behind Lock and Load
But Atkallen's post suggests something a little sneakier about the buff, which procs off of any trap snares or damage, or, more commonly, off of Black Arrow, another Survivalist talent. It used to proc off of Serpent Sting, from 3 to 10 percent of the time according to how many points you put into the talent, and when it was changed to the current form and lowered to 2, 4, and 6 percent, most Hunters worried that they wouldn't see it pop up as much. But here's the thing, and I can attest: it still shows up all the time.
The problem may lie in the tooltip -- for a while, it still said 3, 7 and 10% chance to proc, and that was scheduled to change in 3.1.2. It's fixed now though, and Atkallen speculates that maybe they were waiting to change the actual proc down too. But that was only the tooltip, and Atkallen is convinced that, anecdotally, LnL has something else going on. Finally, Voldenmist in the comments over there points out that LnL also had its own cooldown removed (which is why I can chain it occasionally), so that may have something to do with it as well -- maybe the procs coming closer together make it seem like more procs in general. Hunters, are you getting more LnL procs than you expect?
Filed under: Hunter, Analysis / Opinion, Odds and ends, Blizzard, Talents






Reader Comments (Page 1 of 4)
FifthDream May 27th 2009 8:16PM
Meh, procs.
Brownjohn May 27th 2009 8:24PM
Better than "FIRST" at least...
Faar May 28th 2009 6:17AM
Time for a visit to your procsologist methinks...
McRaider May 28th 2009 7:37AM
You saved my day
Sluggles May 28th 2009 11:48AM
My LnL doesnt seem to proc quite as often, but its still well worth it as a talent. I have noticed they indeed DID remove the internal CD on it and i have had MANY occasions where it will proc 3-5 times in a row. Sometimes it procs before i can even get 2 free shots off and it just refreshes the timer. Im still happy with how it works, but Over all, it would be a way to improve our dps down the road when they decide, YET AGAIN, that we need to be buffed.
Terrë May 27th 2009 8:25PM
Nope. My L&L hardly ever procs these days. I've not changed anything, so I only assumed it was the changes in the patch that was to blame.
Kuskun May 27th 2009 8:33PM
Agreed. For some time I thought I had done my talents wrong because L&L would not proc. :P
Docp May 28th 2009 10:00AM
Since I was bored I just went and tested this on a heroic training dummy. I have 3/3 of the talent which is 6%. Overall in 200 ticks of black arrow Lock n Load procced 8 times, which is 4%. Whilst this isn't conclusive it does seem to indicate that the proc rate is definitely a lot lower than 10%
Nauplius May 27th 2009 8:30PM
I have quite a few proc's, I have noticed it more than before.
steelbow May 27th 2009 8:31PM
Nope LnL procs are down quite a bit for me since the change.
Chrysanth May 27th 2009 8:31PM
My L&L procs with traps, of course, but virtually never with Black Arrow. L&L is cool in theory, but it just doesn't come up very much in practice (for me, at least).
Chris May 27th 2009 8:38PM
I was stoked to read some hard studies on Lock and Load. Unfortunately, the linked article is anecdotal evidence hiding behind the monkier of "Theorycraft". It is, at best, speculation, in regards to "old" LnL versus "new" LnL. What would make this a legitimate study would be to—somehow—test the LnL v1 against v2.
On a side note: personally, I'm not a fan of Black Arrow.
M May 28th 2009 7:51AM
I too was hoping to read something deep and insightful about Lock and Load, but all I saw was a whole lot of nothing to say "Conclusion: Overall I truly feel that there is something different about Lock and Load now that it relies on Black Arrow."
*sigh*
Mallarme May 28th 2009 10:22AM
Hunter's Mark is pretty bad. It is the home of wow.com's lackluster scattered shots blogger after all.
To the point of the article, I see less procs of LnL lately too.
Cruor May 27th 2009 8:38PM
it's total rng. You can't do much about it. It can either pop up back to back, or as i have experienced, not at all. That's rng for ya
Stormquick May 27th 2009 8:56PM
LNL doesn't proc often enough off black arrow. More over black arrow keeps me from dropping a save your butt trap. I'm better off trap dancing off trash in the room than just hoping for a Blackarrow LNL proc.
Don May 27th 2009 8:56PM
Definitely not! L&L doesn't proc anywhere near as much as it used to.
To add insult to injury, often for me it doesn't proc at all during a fight until right before the boss dies, so I end up with 2 free explosive shots and nothing to shot them with
Voldenmist May 27th 2009 9:04PM
It's very rare and based sloely on luck, but it IS possible. I've personally seen it once, but that's about it. While LnL actually procs less for me the majority of the time, i have seen it proc twice and heard abou tit procing twice ini a row every once in a blue moon.
Fargostar5000 May 27th 2009 9:04PM
Lock and Load seems to have gone down for me, hardly ever see it anymore besides using frost trap.
theghost May 27th 2009 9:07PM
lnl still procs the same for me