Ready Check: I'm more hardcore than you

Ready Check is a twice-a-week column focusing on successful raiding for the serious raider. Hardcore or casual, Vault of Archavon or Ulduar, everyone can get in on the action and down some bosses. Today, we step back a little and look at endgame in the context of sports.
Firstly, dedicated followers of this column (hi, Mum) will have noticed a new addition - Michael Gray's working his magic to make Ready Check not just weekly, but twice-weekly! Is that more than enough Ready Check to keep anyone happy? I think so.
Today's column is inspired by a question we've been discussing internally: is WoW a sport? Specifically, as so many of the externally validated goals in-game relate to raiding, how does raiding stand up to other, more traditional sports? We're not talking eSports, but good old fashioned team games. How do the attitudes in raiding differ from those you'd find in the sporting-as-a-hobby world?
Imagine, if you will, getting together with your friends a few nights a week, playing your game, whether it be bowling, golf or rounders. You do it for fun, you pick up the rules -- maybe you learnt them at school, someone took you in hand the first time you played, or you absorbed them from spectating or reading up.
Then perhaps you want something a little more. You realise you're quite good at the game, you spend a bit of money on new clubs, special shoes, you spend more time watching the professionals play. The evening games move from something you just have fun doing, to something you want to win. Perhaps you join a proper team, and soon you're turning up your nose at the 'amateurs' you used to roll with.
"I'm more hardcore than you!"
Sound familiar?
The majority of endgame raiders seem to fall between the 'pro-am' category, and the 'doing it for kicks' group. Most of us who've moved past the stage of figuring out which ball goes where and what offside actually means are unremittingly harsh on those just starting out. This fosters a culture of elitism and superiority which leads to a fairly hostile environment for someone keen to learn but without the innate knowledge and skill (yes, being able to move out of fire is a skill) granted from three or more years of raiding.
This stuff can all be learnt, and it's our job to help teach it. In the sports world, there are coaches, mentors, and handicaps. Should raiding have buddy systems or artificial boosts for those less experienced? Why don't people help each other out, dealing with valid but "n00bish" questions with sarcasm, misleading answers and infringements?
I think the answer is twofold. Firstly, those at the top of the pro-am category want to stay special. There's been a long and pained resistance to new entrants to our 'sport'; there's no limit to the number of hardcore raiders out there, and every new one makes us less unique. All 'hardcore' really means is 'time', after all.
Part of the harsh treatment of new raiders, aka 'scrubs' or 'bads' in EJ parlance, is simply a desire to make ourselves seem more important, more worthwhile. If someone who just picked up a mouse could become as cool as us, why have we wasted the last three or four years of our lives, evening by evening, getting here?
Secondly, it is a matter of asking the right questions, learning the right things, and obviously doing your best. If raiding together, every mistake you make costs other people time, money, and causes a little stress too. You can laugh them off, but they do have consequences. A middling league football or baseball team that picks up a brand new player who does nothing but drop the ball will quickly run out of patience, and it's the same in raiding. Even people with the gentlest temperaments and best intentions can get frustrated when they are constantly corpserunning due to your mistakes.
This leads on to a general principle of 'a place for everyone, and everyone in their place'. If you're the sort of person who makes mistakes, who doesn't care about having the right spec or the right equipment -- you'd turn up to a cricket match in jeans and a polo shirt, armed with a rounders bat -- perhaps playing with people who do care isn't the right home for you. Your mates in the park will welcome you with open arms, though.
What of those in the middle? Ultimately, it depends what your aims are. Do you want to be one of the no-lifes who spends every evening in front of WoW, with the rewards of world/region/realm firsts/seconds/fifths, uber gear, and endless whispers of "nice mount m8"? Are you happy progressing as you are with perhaps a less-than-textbook raid group, but a group of people who have fun together regardless?
There's certainly room for those less gifted with free time than Ensidia, and nobody's qualified to call you 'scrub' for being happy raiding three days a week. If you do have the free time, but not the experience, it's now really easy to jump into 10-mans, even practice in 5-man groups and slowly but surely get there. This is where the sporting idea of coaches and mentors would be great formalised in WoW; I've been toying over the idea of an Apprentice-style contest where we recruit 10 hopefuls for one guild spot and publicly mentor and train them, but perhaps that's going a little too far.
There's definitely a place in the game, and even in raiding, for people who are playing for kicks with no real desire to learn the rules of the game or figure out how everything works. There's also a place for those who want to theorycraft everything, who spend hours planning fights, who spend seven hours an evening, seven evenings a week wiping on the hardest modes of the hardest bosses.
The casual/hardcore animosity happens when the first group of people apply to the second set of guilds, or post on their forums, or ask what a good shadow priest spec is in their IRC channel. Tiger Woods wouldn't show you which way up to hold a golf club, but a guy at the local course will; don't ask Kungen whether you should gem for dodge or not.
Most of all, let noobs be noobs, if they're happy. Who cares if they're not using an optimal rotation or if they're gemming for spirit? If they're killing the stuff they want to kill, leave them be, and let's coexist in harmony. While hoping that, one day, hardcore raiders will get the same sort of salaries hardcore sports players receive. After all, living on European state support gets a little tiresome, no?
Jennie Lees is a European raider, albeit one with a job. If you do happen to have a lot of free time and a desire for shiny purps, her guild is (shameless plug) recruiting. Anti-anti-elitism comments can be directed to her on IRC (juna in #elitistjerks).
Filed under: Analysis / Opinion, Raiding, Ready Check (Raiding)






Reader Comments (Page 1 of 3)
Eli May 30th 2009 8:17PM
give them time, writing an informed article takes more than a blog post that was posted not so long ago.
jam May 30th 2009 9:30PM
Did something get deleted here?
Eli May 30th 2009 10:50PM
yep. someone asked "why the hell they haven't even written an article about the Ferraro scandal yet."
that was my answer.
Gnosh Jun 1st 2009 5:31PM
Scandal no, drama yes.
Shinwei May 30th 2009 8:19PM
Great post!
I hope enough read it to quell some of the animosities between the casual and hardcore populations. The hostility sometimes really does get out of hand. One time someone blew up on me and called me elitist when all I said was "Boss X is really hard, you should be careful."
koskunspam May 30th 2009 8:22PM
I think there is a big flaw in your post here, and that is you believe that everyone that raids "hardcore", that is those that go for the firsts/bests in the game, have ego's the size of states and will look down their nose any everyone else.
That simply isn't true. Maybe the stories over the years that have come out of professional sports have jaded your views (Dion Sanders, Kobe, Shaq, numerous others), but of the two that you specifically named, Tiger Woods, who does a lot of volunteer work with kids and with golf amateurs, and Kungan, who has offered much advice to someone I know about specs, rotations, and I do believe gems, are not the elite snobs you want to make them out to be.
Just because someone is good at something, whether it be a game that is pixels or physical, doesn't mean they become an ass to everyone else when they get good at it.
Xanwryn May 31st 2009 1:16AM
I agree with this but I also know there are elitist bastards out there. I play the game for fun, just like you do, so why do I deserve to be treated with less respect because I am unlearned in a certain aspect of a fucking video game?
I don't agree that "hardcore raiders" are put on some sort of pedestal and want to come off it though. I do not agree with the following statement.
"If someone who just picked up a mouse could become as cool as us, why have we wasted the last three or four years of our lives, evening by evening, getting here?"
The first person to achieve something was never taught. The founder of a sport was never taught, neither was the first person to ever become good at that sport. They were told the rules, they followed them, they practised them and they became good with that practice.
"Hardcore" raiders do not have to teach newbie raiders anything. But it helps. They do not have to teach them anything because there will be one "hardcore" raider who never got help from anybody but achieved greatly. There will be one person who achieved a world first or just didn't fuck up badly in a raid WITHOUT the help of ANYBODY.
Why? Because there will ALWAYS be one person who wasn't taught. And that person is the first person to achieve at something. And if they can do it, anybody else can too. So don't teach us, we don't NEED you to teach us. We WANT you too, and quite frankly, I'd be goddamn flattered if someone asked me for help.
Maximize May 31st 2009 1:33AM
To the question of whether or not WoW can be considered a sport, I would reply with a question of my own. Would you consider poker to be a sport like it's proponents have claimed it to be lately?
Personally, I don't consider anything a sport that doesn't burn a significant number of calories. So chess, poker, WoW, etc. are not games that I would consider sports.
Karilyn May 30th 2009 9:31PM
The fundamental problem with this:
You are falling into the old trap... "All Hardcores are skilled" and "All Casuals are bad" Which is simply, not true.
There are also bad players who play a lot, and skilled players who don't play very much. And every combination inbetween.
There are many hardcore raiders out there, who constantly try to bash a square peg through a round hole, and the only reason they succeed, is out of sheer willpower and brute force.
There are also many casual players, who are some of the most skilled players in the game, but due to time restraints or irregular schedules, cannot progress.
That's not to say that a lot of casual players aren't really really bad. That's also not to say that a lot of hardcore players are good. It's just two different scales.
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On that note, even the scale of "Skilled or Bad" has multiple facets. The best guild in the world, Ensidia, is notorious for having a terrible understanding of game mechanics and math. You say don't ask Kungen if you should gem for Dodge or not... And you are right, but not because he is skilled. Kungen thinks you should gem for Parry. I am not making this up.
Ensidia is where they are, due to very strong leadership, organization, and intuition.
Likewise, a player can be great at theorycraft, and math, and know the game mechanics inside and out, but have poor reaction times and situational awareness, and perform poorly in raids.
The point is... Trying to fit people into neat little categories, then screaming "Everyone who is hardcore, is a jerk!" is hardly the solution.
Neirin May 30th 2009 11:32PM
Great response, I know exactly what you're talking about. One of the best priests I've ever played with could solo heal kara at 70 in greens and blues, but he's so casual that he's still only level 74. I also know a mage who spends hours theorycrafting and reading other people's formulas and such, but he needs at least 1 innervate to keep from going OoM on boss fights even in naxx.
Charlie May 31st 2009 2:56AM
Great response.
[1. Local] anyone? Definitely think this should be posted there.
vocenoctum May 31st 2009 6:46AM
For myself I've got a few 80's, but my raiding up until now was basically Archavon. (Almost got Emalon once, we hit the enrage timer at 3%...)
My characters have plenty of epics, even if my only jaunt into Naxx was for a love fool. :)
My boomkin pulls about 2700dps on Arch, my warlock about 2500+, depending on group comp and RNG.
Anyway, it's hard for me, a guildless guy, to get into raids because everyone wants "know the fights" now, and I'm honest enough to say I haven't done them. So I get skipped over. Last week, someone wanted ranged dps for Sarth+0 pug, I said I'd do it, but didn't know the fights. He said "if you can follow directions, you're welcome".
I got the Volcano Blows achievement, did a little cheer, while one of the other dps complained about "bad flame wall calls".
When I was bored later, I looked up the group online and of the 10, none had the achievement for 10 man, and only 2 had it for 25 man. My DPS was 2500ish, and I was 3rd for the night on recount.
But still, next time a naxx group is forming, I'll be passed over in favor of some elite guildguy doing 1500.
Jwee May 31st 2009 8:23AM
@Vocenoctum:
I can understand how you feel. Being an quite experienced and good player, you're having problems with the fact you are unable to go to Naxx because you're also a guildless and casual player who doesn't know the fights. That's frustrating.
However, "If raiding together, every mistake you make costs other people time, money, and causes a little stress too. You can laugh them off, but they do have consequences. A middling league football or baseball team that picks up a brand new player who does nothing but drop the ball will quickly run out of patience, and it's the same in raiding. Even people with the gentlest temperaments and best intentions can get frustrated when they are constantly corpserunning due to your mistakes." is entirely true and the reason you're not getting a group. Most experienced raiders have seen the stuff described by Jennie happening a lot and they are tired with it. Naxx is a very fun instance, but it will take at least 3 hours to complete and even longer with an inexperienced group (and remember that an inexperienced group means wiping a few times, which also costs a lot of gold).
However, as you're annoyed you can't get a group for Naxx, i conclude you do want to run Naxx and thus have the time to do it. It will be a lot easier to get a group if you can say "i haven't done it before, but i'm skilled, i have the gear and i know the tactics". Obviously you have the skills and the gear, you only don't know the tactics. Some excellent Naxx-guides were written in Readycheck (i think it were 5 articles, written in dec 2008 - jan 2009). It takes some time to read through them, but not as much as a Naxxramas run. Read them and you're ready for your first Naxx-run in no-time ;-)
vocenoctum May 31st 2009 4:04PM
Well, for me, I understand why they want people that already know the job, it makes perfect sense. Part of my point was that asking for "must be geared/ know fights" isn't automatically a sign of a quality player. I don't resent them for setting a minimum standard or anything.
I could probably reread the guides and fake my way through, just saying I know the fights. (Though some guys ask to be linked the achievement now too. :) But I'm not the guy to lie about it.
By the same token, I could join plenty of guilds, but I can't make a weekly commitment to raid times, so I don't want to inconvenience them.
So, right now I'm working on alt-5 A rogue currently at level 60. I see raiding as the next big step for me, but not sure I want to take the risk.
Heilig May 30th 2009 9:54PM
"you'd turn up to a cricket match in jeans and a polo shirt, armed with a rounders bat"
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What the hell does any of that even mean? is that bad or something? Speak American, we don't play your silly sports.
jam May 30th 2009 10:07PM
Please, not all Americans are ignorant fools.
Agerath May 30th 2009 10:41PM
Why don't you go back to eating donuts and watching grown men in lycra tights grope each other, septic?
Karilyn May 30th 2009 10:52PM
Cricket = Game that Baseball is loosely based on.
Rounders Bat = What they use in Baseball, that you would be remarkably ignorant if you tried to use while playing Cricket.
kia May 31st 2009 4:55AM
"Speak American, we don't play your silly sports."
Who would have thought there are people who don't live in the US on the internet? Oh and the language you're referring to is English. Way to make Americans look bad.
jjcoola998 May 31st 2009 1:45PM
Second that Jam.
What an Intolerant fool.