Shifting Perspectives: The day has come, part 2

You're a fascist.
YOU'RE JUST PREJUDICED AGAINST FASCISTS.
Probably. We'll try that again:
You're a (political ideologist meriting derision as determined by each individual reader so don't bother dropping an indignant comment here because I'm just going to laugh and keep scrolling).
NO, SERIOUSLY. WEREN'T WE SUPPOSED TO GET CUSTOMIZABLE FORMS? OR ARMOR ON THEM?
Tying your bear/cat form colors to your hair/fur colors in caster cuts down on the amount of programming required before this goes live. Being able to add colors that are not predetermined by your character's hair or fur color would (as observed in the following linked thread) mean screwing around with the base character record, and while I could be wrong, my impression is that that requires an insane amount of coding and possibly more server load. Given the choice between getting the forms earlier or waiting another indeterminate period of time, I'll take them earlier -- and let's face it, it does make sense that your character's fur/hair color are visually indicative of what they will look like in forms. Blue posters have said that the ability to pick different bear and cat forms is something they'd like to do, though.
Remember: you are not your hair color. You are not your fur color. You are not how much gold you have in the bank. You're not your spec, you're not how many epics you have on your toon, you're not how many times you've beaten Mimiron on hard mode. You're the all-singing, all-dancing, Swipe-tastic god of Azeroth.

ARMOOOOOOOOOOR!
If Blizz can figure out a way to put armor on a bear or cat without it looking insanely stupid, all the more power to them, but (as with the issue described below) this may very well be more trouble than it's worth. Has anyone who wants armor on their forms been able to come up with a means of doing this that will reflect armor upgrades without the models looking increasingly awkward accommodating the different shapes, sizes, and textures of armor graphics?
There were a lot of people out there who hated the Amani War Bear (which was often trotted out as an example of what Blizzard might be able to do armor-wise), but there was no law saying you had to ride it. Now imagine being forced to play one if you want to tank.
THE FORMS SHOULD SCALE WITH OUR GEAR!
I'm sympathetic to the feeling from which this impulse springs, because it does suck that the Druid is the only class where you can't show much work you've put into the character for 95+% of your playtime. As such, I'm not intrinsically opposed to seeing forms "scale" in some fashion. But to be frank, I think yoking overall form quality to i-level (or whatever system players have suggested) sounds like a better idea than it would actually be in practice, and here's why:
A). I don't agree that a form you're obliged to spend most of your ingame time regardless of your role in needs to "punish" you with lesser quality or fewer options if you don't have the time or schedule for whatever Blizzard would require you to do for a better form. Which leads us to our next point:
B). There is absolutely no way to "scale" the quality of Druid forms by tying it to player effort that is not going to result in problems or complaints.

Blizzard would need to quantify the quality of the form somehow, and then develop a scale for it, awarding a "better" form or more options for each stage. Taking some suggestions players have made:
Would it scale off achievement points? Wouldn't it kind of suck to be saddled with a plain-looking or ugly set of forms if you wound up re-rolling, or feeling forced into doing achievements so your character can look half as good as a character of any other class?
Would it scale off PvE progression? That punishes the people who don't or can't raid.
Would it scale off PvP progression? That punishes the people who don't or dislike PvP.
Would it scale off pure i-level? That virtually requires you to pick one of the former two options, as you have limited options outside of either for obtaining better i-level items.
And then -- here's another issue. Most of the people who want the forms to scale don't seem to have considered that this doesn't look beyond the present expansion. Let's say a hardcore player who jumps through the hoops gets an intensely tricked-out bear form with slashes, scars, claws dripping blood, cupholders, an AM/FM radio, sunroof, power windows, extra tire attached to middle of bear, etc. Let's say there's literally nothing you can do to improve the bear at this point. Does the next expansion "reset" your form so you can improve it all over again, does the bear stay the same, or does Blizzard engage in the graphical version of an arms race trying to supply an endless range of options to keep changing the forms?

If we tie the scaling of form quality to i-level, eventually each Druid player would wind up with the "best" forms no matter what assuming future expansions, unless Blizzard spends precious developmental time adding a wider array of options (and there's really only so much you can do to an animal form without descending to ridiculous levels. Once you've exhausted eye color, scar, and horn possibilities, what else do you want? Hats?). Zarhym made the point earlier that the Druid requires more art than any other class to begin with, and I'd rather not see this start getting dumb.
More customization would be fantastic, but I'd much rather see it arrive in the form of another set of barbershop options, and available to all Druids. Not only would this result in a far greater variety of individual touches, but it also wouldn't punish people who love the class but have limited options for advancing their characters in the endgame.
ARE THEY GOING TO CHANGE TRAVEL AND AQUATIC FORMS?
We can only hope. Travel Form has been a placeholder graphic since the beta, and was originally intended to be a stag of some sort -- which is why you get that rather odd hoofprint icon for a cheetah -- and aquatic form is the sort of thing a creative parent could use to frighten small children into bed at night.
Filed under: Druid, (Druid) Shifting Perspectives






Reader Comments (Page 1 of 7)
Task Jun 2nd 2009 9:43PM
Even though I don't play a Tauren druid, I'm still happy overall that this change is coming. It'll be nice to see what the Cat forms look like, as per the quoted "Soon.."
Awesome article as always Allison.
Dzur Jun 2nd 2009 10:40PM
I stand corrected about your art, and I look forward to seeing how you would have done Tauren cat forms. I play a nightelf so I wouldn't mind seeing your artistry there either.
oonekokeleri Jun 3rd 2009 12:14AM
IMO this is what female tauren cat form SHOULD look like. Tauren don't turn into a lion, they turn into a cat. It happens to have a mane and tufted tail because SO DO THE TAUREN, both male and female.
Carigon Jun 3rd 2009 12:51AM
as regards scaling of the form, do it based on ilevel and have the "scaling" just be size, like hunter pets. Realistically, wow isnt going to have enough expansions that'd put max level beyond something like 100 or 110. Just make sure you make it so that, at level 110 you can still fit through doors :P At level 10 or whatever, you're small.
mickthathick Jun 3rd 2009 10:14AM
I absolutely hate the current Tauren cat form, and am loving the new skins as shown here.
The new skins are sleek, noble and menacing, and I can't wait to see them jumping around Dalaran.
Forget scaling with level or any of that crap Blizzard, just make both classes look good and distinct from each other (without bolting horns on) and the love of the masses will follow.
Mickthathick Jun 3rd 2009 10:14AM
I absolutely hate the current Tauren cat form, and am loving the new skins as shown here.
The new skins are sleek, noble and menacing, and I can't wait to see them jumping around Dalaran.
Forget scaling with level or any of that crap Blizzard, just make both classes look good and distinct from each other (without bolting horns on) and the love of the masses will follow.
rosencratz Jun 3rd 2009 10:49AM
I think the new tauren cat form looks great to be honest.
I'm (kind of) suprised people are upset that it looks like a Bull Terrier. The fact that it now resembles a Tauren is a massive improvement to my mind and though i can see the resemblance between the Tuaren cat and the Bull terrier but you are, in fairness, comparing a cat shaped cow to a dog shaped cow... resemblances are to be expected.
(It's not called a "Bull" Terrier because they thought it looked particularly Equine after all)
Draelan Jun 3rd 2009 2:52PM
@ rosencratz
Actually, I believe the Bull Terrier's name comes from the fact that it is descended from the Old English Bulldog (which, in turn, got its name from the fact it was bred for the blood-sport of bull-baiting), not because of its appearance.
Anyway, onto the article. I must admit that it hadn't even occurred to me that it looks like a Bull Terrier. But you're right, it does. Honestly? It does seem kind of ugly at first, but once you get used to it, it doesn't seem particularly ugly at all. I think that, given time to get used to it, people will agree that the new tauren cat form isn't bad, and maybe even quite cool looking.
davidsop Jun 2nd 2009 9:46PM
That article made me lol.. ty
And now that our three year promised forms are here (oh wait they arent yet)...
On to more important things.. why are a third of the realms still down again??? I hate blizzard -- time for someone to make a fun, well run game so I can quit giving my money to blizzard.
Dzur Jun 2nd 2009 9:48PM
Have you actually seen a lion in the wild? They have longer faces than most cats, and look damned good at the same time. Maybe you'd prefer a pinch face cheetah looking model so you can have spots? Comparing that insanely cool looking artwork to a terrier was cute, and will probably get you some kudos on here from others who, like you. But the the reality is, that art is sweet, and you WILL rock it, and you will like it.
dzur Jun 2nd 2009 9:50PM
damn, never quit proof reading a post and hit enter before you're done. As I was saying...
who like you, want to bitch about artwork, but haven't drawn a damn thing.
thank you. that is all.
Mattimus Jun 2nd 2009 10:06PM
While I agree with you somewhat, in that the new Tauren forms are pretty awesome looking, your argument of "bitch about artwork, but haven't drawn a damn thing" is incredibly weak.
You may not have the chops to create a movie yourself, but you can still recognize a bad one from a good one. It's the same with any other form of art. There's no denying that the new Tauren cat forms are extremely well done, but they're also very stylistic, and with style comes, of course, people who do not like said style. If people think this is ugly, then that's them. Not much else you can say to them.
There's a huge difference between "ugly" and "poorly done". A lot of things in WoW are stylistically ugly, and awesome (see: proto-drakes), and a lot of people don't like ugly things... but when they say ugly, they aren't always calling it poorly done.
Allison Robert Jun 2nd 2009 10:38PM
"They have longer faces than most cats, and look damned good at the same time."
Lions have long faces, but not in the proportions given here in the new models. It's also a naturalistic fallacy to say that lions "look good," despite being the archetypal charismatic megafauna beloved by conservationists. They look like they've evolved to look. That that's pleasing to the human eye is entirely an accident.
My beef with the form isn't that it's unrealistic, because most Warcraft models are highly stylized, and the game is beautiful. My beef is that there are elements of the form that just don't seem to work within the context of its overall design, although that may very well change once they can be seen in motion.
"Comparing that insanely cool looking artwork to a terrier was cute, and will probably get you some kudos on here from others who, like you, want to bitch about artwork, but haven't drawn a damn thing.."
A). An art degree is not required, or in some cases, even desired before evaluating the quality of graphics or art. A considerable portion of graphic design is dedicated to nothing more than making something look inviting and pleasing to the average eye. People know when something seems "off," even if they can't articulate why that is.
B). This has to be the first time in my history on the intarwebz that someone has charged my art doesn't exist. Most of the time people are trying to get me to stop doing it.
"But the the reality is, that art is sweet, and you WILL rock it, and you will like it."
Certainly. What choice do we have?
Mattimus Jun 2nd 2009 11:24PM
@Allison.
"My beef with the form isn't that it's unrealistic, because most Warcraft models are highly stylized, and the game is beautiful. My beef is that there are elements of the form that just don't seem to work within the context of its overall design, although that may very well change once they can be seen in motion."
Beef. Because they're Tauren.
QQinsider Jun 3rd 2009 12:03AM
Q: What do you get when you cross a cow and a cat?
A: No idea, but I doubt it would be very beautiful :P
Shorno Jun 3rd 2009 12:27AM
What do you get when you cross a cow with a lion? I dunno either, but it may end up chasing its own tail a bit. "It's the cycle of life!" it says, munching its own hindquarters.
Wither Jun 3rd 2009 5:12AM
Ok, basic cats 101.
The night-elf form is clearing a black panther and not a lynx, they look very extremely different.
http://home.mcn.net/~wtu/images/lynx2.jpg
http://justanimals.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/black-panther.jpg
Lions and lionesses have different facial features. I can only presume your are comparing to a lioness, as tauren cat form does approximate a lion pretty well, the only caricature is in the musculature which is greatly enhanced (as you would expect). The eyes are small, the node bridge is long, but has a high brow (unlike a bull terrier).
http://bluepyramid.org/ia/lion.jpg
Akhi Jun 3rd 2009 8:56AM
@ Wither
Even more basic cats 101: The captions of pictures pulled off of someone's animal picture blog notwithstanding, there is no actual species called a black panther. The term refers to melanistic cats (melanism in short being black or blacker from a rare genetic mutation). So if you could find a melanistic lynx (and this is a fantasy game, after all), it would much more closely resemble the Night Elf cat form than a jaguar or a leopard, which is what you linked. Lynx have long, tufted ears, which is why most people associate the NE cat with them, although a caracal might be better. While it's fun to try to patronize people with science you found on the internet, it isn't always a good idea.
Akhi Jun 3rd 2009 9:01AM
@ Wither
Even more basic cats 101: The captions of pictures pulled off of someone's animal picture blog notwithstanding, there is no actual species called a black panther. The term refers to melanistic cats (melanism in short being black or blacker from a rare genetic
mutation). So if you could find a melanistic lynx (and this is a fantasy game, after all), it would much more closely resemble the Night Elf cat form than a jaguar or a leopard, which is what you linked. Lynx have long, tufted ears, which is why most people associate the NE cat with them, although a caracal might be better. While it's fun to try to patronize people with stuff you found on the internet, it isn't always a good idea.
Firin Jun 2nd 2009 9:52PM
I like both forms. They look, as you say, much better than the old ones.
BTW, your Fight Club quote/reference was fantastic. If you haven't done so, read the book and anything else you find by Chuck Palahniuk.