Skip to Content
6-05-2009 @ 3:45PM
"However, I do mind when they automatically and only give me the self buffed numbers. That's not what I'm after. Giving me both also lets me know they're thinking about such things."Hold on a second. There is not a Warlock alive that would NOT be using fel armor 100% of the time. So because the self buff is ALWAYS there you SHOULD include fel armor as spell power. Not including a self buff is the same as removing all gems, items buffs, and gem color bonuses when telling a raid leader your spell power. After all those gems, enchants, and set bonuses are buffs.
6-05-2009 @ 4:07PM
I disagree.Including self buffs (such as Fel Armor) make it harder for a raid leader to easily compare potential raid members. For instance if the raid leader wanted to compare a lock and a mage, does the self-buffed spell power number that each player gave indicate equal damage potential? In general I tend to think that self-buffs are used by blizzard to help equalize between classes, the intent is for classes at identical gear level to have the potential to preform equal. If you are including self-buffs you are artifically inflating your "potential".2k self buffed warlock =/= 2k self buffed mage.
6-05-2009 @ 4:57PM
I diagree with you Matt.Any raid leader who is worth his salt already knows exactly what you just said. Asking for spec and stats isn't for them to be able to compare them to another class, but rather to use their knowlege to compare them to others of their own class. If they simply wanted a truly comparable number across classes, they would simply ask for something as simple as boss dps. But instead, since they should know all the classes, they may know that a destro lock with 2000 self-buffed sp and hit capped might be expected to put out a specific dps. Only a raid leader who doesn't know his stuff asks for stats and then uses them to compare different classes. And if that's the case, he's probably not smart enough to know the difference between what someone will do self buffed or non buffed. The point is to allow apples to apples comparison within a class, so as long as he's getting the same type of response from everyone he asks, he's fine with whichever he chooses to ask for. And if self buffs really are an equalizing method used by Blizz, as you believe, then why in the world wouldn't you want them included? After all, aren't they there to try and equalize the classes so to speak?Of course, the easiest way to avoid all the confusion is just to ask for something consistent from everyone. Like Patchwork dps or something.
6-06-2009 @ 3:30AM
@ Matt JWould you expect a shadow priest to tell you their spellpower minus the extra amount they get from Twisted Faith or an Arcane Mage to subtract their extra spellpower gained from Mind Mastery? Some classes and specs get bonuses from their talents, others from self-buffs.I personally think that self-ONLY buffs (Fel Armor, Flametongue, etc) are fair game, but that raid buffs (MotW, Kings, etc) should not be included in the total. So a moonkin should count the extra spellpower they get from moonkin form, but not from their own MotW as well.
First time? A confirmation email will be sent to you after submitting.
Members enter your username and password.
Enter your AOL or AIM screenname and password.
Please keep your comments relevant to this blog entry. Email addresses are never displayed, but they are required to confirm your comments.
When you enter your name and email address, you'll be sent a link to confirm your comment, and a password. To leave another comment, just use that password.
To create a live link, simply type the URL (including http://) or email address and we will make it a live link for you. You can put up to 3 URLs in your comments. Line breaks and paragraphs are automatically converted — no need to use <p> or <br /> tags.