Indeed, they will be.

Vindication was a sort of "passive" dps, like the opposite of a disc priest bubble, lowering the amount of damage needed to take down the target. I never bothered to do the math, but it's probably worth at least one 3.6 second autoswing from a ret pally.

Without the stamina debuff, it's basically been nerfed to an anti-melee debuff only and probably isn't worth the talent points.

I play a Paladin, and I couldn't be happier. Vindication is a stupid mechanic.

I really don't understand how they say Ret Pallies are prominent in lower PvP brackets. Do you know how hard it is as a ret pally to take out a healer? Sure we have great burst, but once you've gone through your first rotation, you get to sit tight and watch the healer you just bursted down to 30% heal themselves back to full health while crying softly to yourself.

By making this no longer affect Stam it's going to be ever harder to take people out.

And on a side note, how many High-End teams have a Ret Pally on them?

@ Nick S

Really? I don't even have a pally and I know "vindication" was awesome. Usually procs in the first swing in pvp and is also good for killing mobs (be it dailies or eternal farming or the like). If you only play a ret pally for raiding pve then I guess you could say it was stupid... but then again, you shouldn't have it anyway.

Well, at least you can use Hammer of Wrath earlier!

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