Don't pull threat from your tank. Problem solved.

Indeed...stop winning Omen and things will work out fine.

@Radiophonic
Obviously you dont understand how to play a hunter well. Dont demean someone when you are saying something wrong. You shouldnt demean someone anyway even if you are right. The reason you are wrong: If a hunter (or any threat dropping class) can't drop threat, they are forced to throttle their dps to the tanks tps, which is determined by skill,gear, fight mechanics. Being able to drop threat means you dont have to throttle down dps to an undergeared/underskilled tank, and actually do your job of putting out the best damage you can while not pulling off the tank. My hunter is better geared than 90% of the tanks in out guild and it only hurts the entire raid if you have to do less dps and drag the fights out longer than they need to be.

Think b4 you post

Blizzard gave Hunters Feign Death to keep them from pulling aggro off the tank. Wouldn't you be mad if one of your abilities simply didn't work on a few select boss fights where threat is sensitive?

@AJ

Actually you're completely wrong...

I can't remember the last time I pulled aggro from the tank, and I'm a rogue who tops the metres pretty much every time.

I use vanish to get myself a bonus overkill a lot more often then I have to use it to drop aggro regardless of the tank.

Can't use FD and your aggros getting up there? Use MD on the tank mid-fight.. that's what its there for.

This is *nothing* to do with 'not knowing how to play a hunter well hurhur'. This is knowing how to play a DPS class well. Here is how you do it:

1) Do as much damage as you can to the required target(s) at the right time without pulling aggro from the tank.
2) See #1.

Tank has to move in a fight? He loses some threat generation. Adjust. Tank has to pick up multiple mobs? He loses some threat generation on the main mob. Adjust. You have to change targets to do something else? ADJUST.

There is much more to playing a DPS class then looking up the optimal rotaion and then mindlesss spamming it from 30 yards away while staring at recount. What do you think happens to me if I go all out on say, Ignis? The boss would turn around and one shot me within about 10 seconds and my damage would be a great big ZERO. The undergeared scrub who lived would now be worth more to the raid then I was because they are still doing damage.

You have a 30 second CD complete aggro wipe and a 30 second aggro dump onto the tank. Use them, they are in the game for that reason.

@Sparcrypt

Did you completely miss the point of the comment that Radiophonic was commenting on?
outdps:
One of these days, feign death will work on Razorscale
You:
You have a 30 second CD complete aggro wipe and a 30 second aggro dump onto the tank. Use them, they are in the game for that reason.

The whole point of this mini thread is the MD ISNT WORKING. So we do not have a 30 sec CD aggro wipe. You were making some very good comments on dps class gameplay until you made yourself sound like an idiot with the last line.

Secondly, I roll MD's on the tank when needed, but I can do a lot more threat in the 25 secs MD is on cd than I can in the 3 shots I get with it up. Rogues have 3 agro reducers - Vanish( agro drop), Feint (agro reduce), Tricks ( agro transfer). Hunters get only 2. Also, your Tricks increase the dps of the tank which also increases his tps by higher damage output. Hunters dont increase the tanks dps output with an MD, just transfer threat only. Take away your Vanish and Feint from a fight, only use Tricks, take away 10% of the extra threat he gets while tricks is on him, and see how much you have to slow your dps so you dont pull agro.

Its not a question of pulling agro, a very poorly played dps class will pull and die. Its about not being able to do the dps you are capable of doing because the skills blizzard gave you to do that dps dont work.

@ Sparcrypt:

"You have a 30 second CD complete aggro wipe and a 30 second aggro dump onto the tank. Use them, they are in the game for that reason."

Congratulations on completely missing the point. The problem isn't that hunters *aren't using* FD on Razorscale. It's that FD apparently *doesn't work* on Razorscale. A 30-second CD complete aggro wipe is useless if it doesn't actually wipe your aggro.

And misdirect doesn't work that way. MD is for pulling, not for mid-fight aggro management. Like I said elsewhere in this terribad comment system, I stopped pulling threat on Razorscale the minute I started running with tanks that don't suck. Stop spamming your taunts.

@ Microtonal

You are incorrect, sir. MD can and should most certainly be used mid-fight to push the tank's threat higher faster. This allows everyone to go all out without having to either throttle or threat-dump, especially on a fight where the tank is moving. Heigan is a good example of that.

And I love how the idiots jump into the fray right off the bat. Yes, we know you can throttle your DPS to not pull aggro off of the tank, but the idea is that if your threat dump actually dumps threat, you can maintain your DPS. I'll bet the same people, when asked for help on Razorscale, probably responded "LOL L2DPS".

MD transfers the agro of 3 shots out of the 60+ we do in 30 seconds. At least they won't generate threat for us, but what about the remainder of the shots?

We can't do as much DPS on this boss as we can on any boss where feign death works. If we try, we risk pulling agro, and probably wiping the raid when she AOEs everyone next to us.

Quitcherbitchin. I have 1 threat reduction that does 50% and is on a 5 min CD.