And. Percinho illustrates why we'll never settle this. Everyone wants their own definition. It's just one word.. it can't support the weight of so many definitions. And that's the real issue - instead of using several words for several meanings, it's all 'casual' and 'hardcore'.

Casual can break down into time or attitude. Someone who raids for 6 hours a week (2days, 3 hours per) and dosn't play aside from that- are they more casual than someone who plays alts for 6 hours? How about someone who plays alts 12 hours? is it time? Or attitude? Or activity (raiders can't be casual even if it's a few hours a week)?

And Robin... lose the damn 'real life' crap, ok? WoW is part of my real life, in the same way that any hobby is. Fanstasy sports, knitting, scrapbooking, bike riding, poker, whatever... they're all hobbies that we do for entertainment. Stop perpetuating the idea that video games are the proving of no life losers if taken seriously but that non-game hobbies are just fine. The millions of people who sit in front of the TV the last few weeks watching the NBA playoffs don't have to hear that... neither should we.