Scattered Shots: What you see is not always what you get
I can't believe it either, WoW.com actually decided to bring me back for another week! I am Eddie "Brigwyn" Carrington from The Hunting Lodge and I'll be your tour guide each Thursday as we explore what makes our Hunters tick and how we can make them better.
Last week we talked about the many different resources are available for Hunters. This week I thought to build on that and talk about item level (iLevel) and what makes a good upgrade.
Yes, I'm sure you are already thinking, "Boring! How difficult can that be?" Maybe for some that would be true. But the changes that happened with Wrath of the Lich King have forced us to rethink some of the old standards. For example, Agility isn't always the king stat like it was in the past. Sometimes you might need to decide between adding Critical Strike Rating, Armor Penetration, or Attack Power all the while considering how much Hit you might be losing.
I do agree that determining your next piece of gear should be relatively simple process. And for the most part, it is. But as with everything, there seem to be exceptions to the rule. Sometimes choosing between two items on the fly or in the heat of the moment just isn't that simple.
And what about the Hunters that are just now getting ready for Naxx? (Yes, there are players that have yet to see Naxx.) Sometimes they don't even know where to start. Or what if you are raiding and you got an upgrade but causes you to lose some critical stats? You might need to compensate for the loss of a much needed stat as you upgrade.
Surprisingly, your best gear choice is not always based on the raid level you're running at the moment. Also, you might need to bank that upgrade for a while and equip a lower iLevel until you make up for a loss in stats (e.g. when the new item causes you to lose too much Hit).
If you are asking yourself, "What is he talking about? What's iLevel?" Don't feel bad, you're not alone. Many players don't realize iLevel even exists. Back in the old days (the original release), items used to be solely ranked first by Required Level (the level you must obtain to use an item) and then the rarity of the item (Legendary "Orange," Epic "Purple," Rare "Blue," etc...)
When more opportunities to obtain Epic gear were developed, players needed to find different ways to help determine which Epics were truly upgrades. Luckily for us, the Blizzard developers have thought of this and created the iLevel ranking system.
iLevel is a great way to easily identify specific gearing points for similar gear. So much so that even recently Ghostcrawler gave some great news about how all the Ranged attack items with an iLevel of 226 or higher got DPS buffs. To many this just meant Ulduar gear got the DPS increase, but really that opens the door to many different items including one item from Naxxramas that Hunters now must decide on. The iLevel is one way to group and easily compare items from different sources and sets without having to create a bunch of new rank descriptions.
There really are only two issues with iLevel. First, some players confuse iLevel with Required Level. When you look at tooltips or item descriptions you are always told the Required Level your character must obtain in the game before equipping that specific item.
The bigger issue with iLevel is the complexity in determining it. The good news for us, you can use the WoW Armory and many other Hunter resources already do this for us. The down side is you can end up with a list of items the same iLevel but for one reason or another don't apply to Hunters or aren't really an upgrade.
So iLevel is a great way to shorten the list for your itemization, but don't stop there. Remember just because an item has a better iLevel, it may not be the best fit at that time. For that we can let our knowledge of Hunter class mechanics guide us to make a decision for what to equip. It really sounds more confusing that it is. Why don't we look at creating an upgrade path for a required Level 80 ranged weapon?
We'll start with a common crafted epic used by many hunters, The Nesingwary 4000. I know, there are better to be sure, but since it can be readily purchased from the Auction House, it often becomes the typically the starting Epic for many Hunters as they start to run through Naxxramas.
Often times Hunters go into Naxx and see the Accursed Bow of the Elite drop and start screaming over Vent how they are going to spend all their DKP for this awesome upgrade. But if you look closer, it might not be such an awesome upgrade after all. Let's take a tale of the tape.
Nesingwary 4000- 200 iLevel
- +21 Critical Strike Rating
- +78 Attack Power
- Yellow Socket
Accursed Bow of the Elite
- 200 iLevel
- +28 Agility
- +19 Stamina
- +16 Hit Rating
- +21 Haste Rating
- +40 Attack Power
Both are iLevel 200 and have a similar base weapon DPS of 129.6. (Not looking so appetizing is it. Maybe it will look better if we compare individual stats.) Between the Nesingwary 4000 and the Accursed Bow you basically gain a .5% Hit Rating, 21 Haste and 19 Stamina but you lose 10 Attack Power.
This is alright if you are under Hit Cap (we'll keep that for a later discussion) but the Nesingwary has a gem slot. That could be some added DPS or Hit there also. So now you can see how using the iLevel along with a good understanding of Hunter class mechanics helped keep us from wasting precious DKP on an item that was more of a lateral move than an upgrade.
But what would be our next item then? I'd recommend getting the Nerubian Conquerer from Kel'Thuzad the final boss in Naxxramas. It will give you a much bigger upgrade.
- 213 iLevel
- +31 Agility
- +30 Stamina
- +21 Critical Strike Rating
- +64 Attack Power
See now we see a jump in our stats. Although we lose the gem slot we see get 31 Agility that will scale with buffs. Also our base Attack Power is increased by 17. This all adds up to a +12 increase in our base item DPS. Now that's the immediate upgrade!
Let's say you are in a guild that can put together a solid 25 man raid. If that is the case, I would recommend that you pick up the Envoy of Mortality when you run it in Heroic mode.
Envoy of Mortality- 226 iLevel
- +36 Agility
- +30 Stamina
- +26 Critical Strike Rating
- +72 Attack Power
Compared to the Nerubian Conquerer we see a base weapon 46.7 DPS increase. Glad I kept you from spending that DKP?
Now your Hunter and your guild is ready to raid Ulduar. After you all down Ignis the Furnas, he ups and drops Rifle of the Platinum Guard.
Whoa now, hold up a sec! I would hate for you to go off celebrating and spending that DKP again without taking a closer look. And don't start screaming at me about how this is Ulduar and "This is the best thing ever!" Because, it really isn't an upgrade for you if you already have the Envoy of Mortality, and barely one if you have the Nerubian Conquerer.
Rifle of the Platinum Guard- 219 iLevel
- +42 Stamina
- +24 Hit Rating
- +29 Critical Strike Rating
- +31 Armor Penetration
See how the Rifle of the Platinum Guard is only a 219 iLevel? If you went with this one over your Envoy of Mortality, you would be losing 28.8 base weapon DPS and wondering where it went.
True, if you have the Nerubian Conquerer you will get a whopping 5.9 DPS increase so it is an upgrade, but marginal at best. Honestly? I'd rather try to get 24 other friends together and see if I could Envoy of Mortality.
So what is a solid upgrade for you? Well go get yourself a Magnetized Projectile Emitter from XT-0002 Deconstructor Yogg-saron.
Magnetized Projectile Emitter- 232 iLevel
- +29 Agility
- +30 Stamina
- +27 Hit Rating
- +66 Attack Power Red socket with a +8 Attack Power socket bonus
When you compare that to the Nerubian Conquerer you will see a base weapon DPS increase of 45.5 DPS. And if you were lucky to get an Envoy of Mortality you will see a respectable 10.8 base weapon DPS increase as well. I'd say go get Robot Boy's Yoggy's gun. and forget about robot boy. (Thanks for the catch Ringo Flinthammer.)
So there you have it. I hope I helped explain how you can use iLevel and a basic understanding of Hunter class mechanics to build your own gear upgrade plan. So let's hear it, what has been some of your experiences with upgrades. Ever picked up an item thinking "It's the best thing since pancakes!!" only to realize that you made a mistake? Or maybe you can recommend some other options for people to get the gear they need for raids. I'd like to hear them.
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Reader Comments (Page 2 of 2)
SuckItTrebek Jun 11th 2009 8:24PM
Oh TEJ, you poor soul, not getting any enjoyment or even aesthetic pleasure out of the game-all you're worried about is having a higher number than me. My, how tiny it makes me feel! You're right-clearing the raids isn't as important as clearing it 5 minutes faster because of gear, and because of playing in a spec that I loathe.
Not everyone is as lifeless and joyless as yourself. During BC we worked our way up to BT (pre patch 3 nerfs) without your silly minmaxing. So long as we were making progress, great. I had a hunter who set foot in SSC as his first raid, and it didn't matter to anyone because we got the job done (and I conveniently scored some loot to help out more next time) and enjoyed ourselves.
You remind me of UT tournaments where I'd notice people with all of their graphics settings put down to the very bottom for those extra 2 or 3 fps and hated how it looked-but oh they had to prove "something" (I can't imagine what you think you're proving by obsessing over video game scoreboards).
Elionene Jun 11th 2009 8:36PM
Actually, I'm the raid leader for my guild. We are focused on 10 man progression, and on the cusp of getting Mimiron down (
elfennau Jun 11th 2009 10:53PM
So, TEJ. I'm curious how much this job of "raider" you speak of pays you, because it sounds like a really tough and strict workplace...
Oh wait, it's not a job? You were talking about World of Warcraft, a GAME? Silly me, I wonder how I could have gotten that confused.
:)
TEJ Jun 11th 2009 7:34PM
Great. We got a new BRK folks. At least this one doesn't have a furry-esque fetish with moronic pets.
How about an article with information for people WITH a clue about their class mechanics?
SuckItTrebek Jun 11th 2009 8:11PM
You're whining about an informative article under the claim that you already know what you're doing....so why do you need an article? Are you informed about your class, or aren't you?
Put your hunter skills to work-turn on Track Internets and research the information yourself if you're in such a high end bracket.
elfennau Jun 11th 2009 10:55PM
You, uh, have personality dysfunctions, yeah?
TEJ Jun 12th 2009 6:00PM
What makes you think I didn't research my class to the highest echelons of theorycrafting before even knowing about ElitistJerks?
SuckItTrebek Jun 12th 2009 8:19PM
"research my class to the highest echelons of theorycrafting" LOLOLOLOLOLOL could you make your self sound more grandiose next time? I don't think you're playing up just how importantly serious business the subject is!
You seem confused about the conversation. Or, more likely, you're trying to deflect the criticisms leveled at you that you're unable to combat. Yeah, that's probably the case, hence this being your only reply. Those other ones might sting your precious little epeen!
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Elionene Jun 11th 2009 8:37PM
Actually, I'm the raid leader for my guild. We are focused on 10 man progression, and on the cusp of getting Mimiron down. We're also an RP Guild, and my character, Elionene, is a Night Elf who detests uncivilized guns, preferring the more elegant Bow.
Then Ignis decided to drop the gun. I had no excuse, it was a fairly good upgrade from the Accursed Bow of the Elite. So to do it proper, I had to write a story about it.
http://elionenesjournal.blogspot.com/2009/05/gun.html
But more to the point, fun is a primary goal of every raid I lead. We have a few hunters (dwarves mostly) who only use guns, and pass on all bows. We have people who only like bows and not guns. Your suggestion, that all that matters is the acquisition of the loot, and that the process of getting the loot does not matter, is foreign to me. If I don't enjoy the process of getting it, why would I enjoy having it? Because once I have it, the only real use for it is help get higher level gear.
Anyway, call us casual, whatever, we raid, we RP, we have fun. It's all good. But my raiders are more than "just means to an end," they're my friends, and we enjoy what we do.
Elionene Jun 11th 2009 8:38PM
Hmm, not sure what happened...comments got confuzzled, this was the reply to TEJ from my original post above.
Belthazar Jun 12th 2009 10:58AM
::chuckle:: I had a similar dilemma back when I first started raiding, back in Karazhan. My dwarf Hunter had never touched a bow or X-bow, to the point where I'd not even learned, let alone trained the skill. Of course Attumen hands over his crossbow and I spend the next couple of days mock complaining as I train up the weapon skill to use it. Considering the bent BC had towards Bows and X-bows, I happy with Ulduar's balance towards Guns, while still offering a few bows.
aranwe Jun 11th 2009 11:13PM
You might want to pay a bit more attention to giving advice with regards to different specs Eddie, a bare stats and ilevel comparison is something anyone can do. ow about focusing on how much benefit the Accursed Bow of the Elite would have over the Nesingwary 4000 for a survival hunter due to the agility DESPITE the ilevel and other stats. Might be better than a heap of pug hunters rolling need on everything saying it's an upgrade due to this article :)
Darbaris Jun 11th 2009 11:39PM
Good article. Far too few people are aware of ilvl and stats distribution.
However, probably to make things easier to explain, you have chosen very clear comparisons, such as envoy vs platinum guard.
It will also be valuable (and practical) to discuss ilvl 213 nax drops vs ilvl 219 ulduar drops. For instance, many feel that platinum guard is inferior to most ilvl 213 h naxx weapons.
Pexxle -=Silver Hand (RP)=- Jun 12th 2009 8:36AM
The RL Star Fox pic is full of winnings!
Jesse Jun 12th 2009 8:50AM
I hate to sound mean, but your comparison of the Nesingwary gun and the Accursed bow doesn't take into account that every stat on the bow is important for a hunter who is starting Naxx, especially if you're SV. Even though it's less crit per point ill gladly take Agi over crit strike (just like how I'll take Agi over AP) due to it scaling with buffs, Lightning Reflexes and Expose Weakness. Also that haste is especially helpful if you don't have your Steady's at the right speed. And for Survival the Stamina also contributes to AP, obviously not a fixed amount but you could argue that the AP loss from this is much less than 10. But quite frankly, if you are a Dwarf or another spec, then this is merely a sidegrade if you already have the gun.
TEJ Jun 12th 2009 6:04PM
When you've played the game as much as I, on every possible level - from the casual scrubs to the 1-minute wipe recovery elitist jerks, your perception of "fun" shifts.
I've long transcended the "fun" and "enjoyment" you speak of. Right now, my "fun" and "enjoyment" are maximizing my DPS output.
Repeat after me folks: "Fun is subjective. What I think might be 'fun' is just as easily as fucktarded to someone else". After you've repeated this line 9001 times, shed that retarded condescending tone towards me and I might shed mine towards you.
TEJ Jun 12th 2009 6:06PM
Ah, I see the drooling masses who think their personal "fun" is superior to the teamwork of getting a boss down have already shitstormed my comments. Well played guys, thank your deity of choice you're not in my guild.
elfennau Jun 12th 2009 9:06PM
And yet, you seem to feel it's your job to tell others how to have their fun YOUR way, while not respecting their idea of fun. So, only your idea of fun is valid and only it is allowed for everyone?
Yeeeeeeeeeaaaaah. Definite personality dysfunctions there.
SuckItTrebek Jun 15th 2009 1:45AM
And again-you seem to miss that "fun" and "progress" are not two separate ideas. ZOMG YOU DID IT 20 SECONDS FASTER FFS TIME TO MAKE THE GAME A SECOND JOB!
Ohnoes, I can't be in TEJ's guild! I guess I'll stick to my guild-the one that downed all the Horde cap cities simultaneously. I'm sure that it pales to TEJ's guild's accomplishments, though. I heard that they already downed Arthas.
Ahwell, that's a basement dwelling adult virgin for ya.