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6-17-2009 @ 3:00PM
I've been playing WoW for years on a PVP server and generally speaking the most common times to encounter a rogue are:1. When my character is sitting down having a drink2. When my character is engaged in combat3. When my character is AFKNeedless to say all three of those encounters involve surprise ganking, lots of stunning and, in the event I don't die, lots of vanishing. Even today at lunch my Druid was killed in the Stormwind Auction house. Rogue popped up behind me, kept me stun locked until I died and then vanished before anyone could react.As someone beside me said, "Welcome to a PVP server." However I'd argue that isn't PVP at all. If I don't have control over my character and can't fight back, there's not much sport it in the confrontation. Especially since even if I can manage to fight back the character will just vanish to reset the fight.So, for better or for worse, I've got no respect for the class. I'm not a big fan of stereotyping but it takes a certain mindset to play a character than mainly excels in killing other defenseless players. Sure rogues can do great DPS (if played properly) but I'm still far more likely to encounter one while mining a node in lowbie land than doing an end game run and because of that I'm just a little jaded.
6-17-2009 @ 3:09PM
Yeah, how DARE the class designed as sneaky assassins actually BE sneaky assassins? I mean it's so UNFAIR!
6-17-2009 @ 3:12PM
I'm glad you said it first. Those are my thoughts exactly. I'm sorry rogues but I have zero respect for a class that requires you hit from behind and, in general, be a complete bastard. :) It's how it's built but I don't get why people play them at all. I get that it requires skill, TOTALLY, that's not my point. There is no honor there. But I'm continually dissapointed that honor is a form of currency in the game, not an actual ethic and blizzard builds it that way.
This is exactly my feeling, not just vanish, we hav to deal with chain stun locks
6-17-2009 @ 3:24PM
"Yeah, how DARE the class designed as sneaky assassins actually BE sneaky assassins? I mean it's so UNFAIR!"^Also to Dreyja, since when do rogues care about honor? Isn't the whole point doing what it takes to get the job done?To Anthony - "I'm not a big fan of stereotyping but...". As for what you said earlier, the whole point of being a rogue is to kill them without allowing them to react because if they do react what are you going to do? Evasion is virtually useless, Cloak is only 5 seconds with 10% RNG, and vanish. We are not built to take damage and so we have nothing to effectively keep us alive while someone is smashing our faces in. If rogues didn't have stuns/vanish you know how horrible the class would be? In regards to being killed at the auction house, there is such a thing as a PvP trinket and nowadays when you attack virtually anyone, guards rush you through vanish so that you have to kill them before you can effectively re-stealth, but while you are doing that, more guards are coming because you are now in combat near NPCs and players and are unable to stealth.P.S. You can always fight back, its just a matter of whether or not they completely outplay you.
6-17-2009 @ 3:35PM
@KYO "You can always fight back, its just a matter of whether or not they completely outplay you."I respectfully disagree. Winning a match against a class should not require a specific piece of gear such as a PVP trinket. Yet with rogues, that single item is all that matters. I got jumped last week in the SW bank by an 80 rogue as well (I was on my 77 Druid at the time). In that case I did trinket out and guess what? He promptly died.Does the fact that I used a trinket make me the better player? No yet it's mainly what decided the outcome. Granted I could be encountering really bad rogues, but I just don't see the skill. The fact remains, if rogues rely on the fact that I can't move/fight or defend myself to win a match, then that's an example of poor class mechanics, not skill.
6-17-2009 @ 3:39PM
@ KyoExatly why I said it's a matter of ethic and respect on my part. /shrug I'd like to see more honor in the game, period. I just worry for the kind of person who enjoys playing this way. :) No worries. My own guildies know exactly how nutty I am about this sort of thing so take what I say with a grain of salt. I have a lot of quests against the horde I WON'T do because they are, frankly, WRONG. All good. Just my opinion.
6-17-2009 @ 7:57PM
To Joey - Regardless of trinkets, most classes have abilities that can help them survive stun-locking rogues (Pain suprresion, barkskin, talented HoF, etc.), but of course the PvP trinket helps greatly, but even with a trinket a good enough rogue will be able to keep you locked down from 100-0 if they pop all their cooldowns, but you know what that means? They can't do that again for another X minutes.
6-17-2009 @ 8:35PM
"a good enough rogue will be able to keep you locked down from 100-0 if they pop all their cooldowns, but you know what that means? They can't do that again for another X minutes"Which usually means they'll stay hidden until the cool downs are up. :-) Listen, certainly plenty of classes can root, CC or stun and we've all got a means to get out of at least some of those situations. The problem, as I see it, is that if a mage sheeps me, I've got a chance of regaining control over my character with at least half my life. Same with fear + dot tactics. I'll be hurting but I can react. I can dispel the dots, heal myself or even attempt to run. I've got options.However rogues seem to be the one class that can actually take you down to nothing while keeping you fully stun locked. I do realize and respect that rogues have difficulty beating opponents that can fight back and so this mechanic is necessary, but that won't stop me from feeling that's it's cheap / and or broken. I'd much rather Blizzard addressed your classes' survivability options, than completely removed mine.
6-17-2009 @ 11:32PM
LoL! People blow stunlocking way out of proportion. Yes, if you are below 80, an 80 rogue will destroy you. Yes, if you are wearing green gear, an epiced out rogue will destroy you. This, however, does not mean stuns are overpowered. Anyone who actually plays a rogue will tell you; you will NOT 100-0 stunlock anyone... ever... at 80 with similar gear.For years, I've heard the same complaints about rogues. They usually boil down to something along the lines of "zomg stuns! rogues are op!"
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