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6-18-2009 @ 4:22PM
I think it's a good system, because you shouldn't you have to run Ulduar to get T8 gear. Some people don't like raiding for 4 hours, so this is Blizz's way of helping those people.
6-18-2009 @ 4:27PM
That's complete BS. Why should someone farming 5 mans be able to get the same gear as someone doing 25 Ulduar. That makes no sense whatsoever.
6-18-2009 @ 4:30PM
So you shouldn't have to kill the bosses who drop certain loot to get their loot? Granted I don't have a single piece of Ulduar gear and the only person who's at fault there is me for not running Ulduar. Next it will be, why should gold only go to the people who farm it with dailies and working on their professions?
6-18-2009 @ 4:31PM
Well, one could say - If you don't plan on raiding, then why the hell do you need iLvL 226 gear? They would be justified in saying that, but if you want to stand around Dal and pretend your Leet then who am I to stop you?For me personally, this change will help me get back into raiding. I quit the game about 5 months ago, and now I have fallen behind the gear curve. I am an experienced raider from pre-nerf T6 to competitive hard mode kills before I quit, and this gives me the chance to catch up and get myself back into raiding. So thanks Blizz for making it possible to stay competitive. Instead of TBC where the top guilds stayed at the top, and the bottom on the bottom, and those skilled people who were stuck in the bottom guilds couldn't move to the top because of no access...well now the playing field is a bit more level./end wall of text
6-18-2009 @ 4:33PM
What do you need T8 gear for (or even T7) if you don't raid?
6-18-2009 @ 4:34PM
This is complete bullcrap - what is the point of raiding anymore when freakin' sucky players and noobs to the game can get the same gear. GG Blizz - looking forward to SW The Old Republic when it comes out so I can leave this POS game behind.
6-18-2009 @ 4:35PM
I got voted down for agreeing with Blizz's change and not whining? Wow, you people are ... interesting...
6-18-2009 @ 4:36PM
so now we can have idiots who have no f***ing clue how to play their class with t8.5 gear (6 pieces for a total of 230 emblems that can be farmed in one or two weeks or heroics+naxx by getting run though/dragged along by guildies/pugs) signing up for the most difficult content in the game saying 'i gotz epix, let me go guiz.'there is nothing heroic about being a hero in the world of azeroth when the only qualifying factor is that you as a player know how to call tech support to turn on your computer for you.
6-18-2009 @ 4:44PM
No, you got voted down because you believe that little leaguers shouldn't keep score, and because you think that you shouldn't have to work hard to be rewarded. You got voted down because you believe that it's ok if you're bad at something, as long as you're bad at it for a long time.
6-18-2009 @ 4:47PM
Are people still complaining about raids not being accessible enough? The problem that I think Blizzard is trying to fix is that raiders have no incentive to enter heroics, not that non-raiders can't get tier pieces. Yes, I understand that with enough dedication, a player can obtain tier gear without ever running a raid, but I don't believe Blizzard intends for that to be an alternate gear path.Having said that, I welcome these changes. I'll finally be able to convince guildies to run heroics with my alts. Heck, I'll probably even start running them on my main to supplement my raiding.
Remember, the Hardcores are very vocal, and their ego is hurting right now. They have realized that the game now belongs to the casuals, and that does not feel good. Bottomline, casuals far outnumber hardcores, and last time I checked, we pay the same money each month. That makes casuals far more important as a customer base.Get used to it
6-18-2009 @ 4:50PM
I totally agree Macho, some people don't like sitting in front of their computer for 4+ hours at a time and that's currently the only way to get most of the best gear in the game. People like us should be able to earn it a little at a time and be able to see all the end game instances. WoW is changing, sucks that we have to listen to all the "hardcore" players whine about it all the time.
6-18-2009 @ 4:57PM
It's not that I'm a "hardcore" player whining that everyone else gets to catch up, it's the issue of a fair system of rewards matching the effort. Granted it's just a video game but getting to and downing Yogg is not the same as running 5 man heroics. The incentive to push yourself to put the time and effort into raiding is getting better gear. Sure, if you don't have the time or desire to put that time/effort for the hardest encounters then you should have to deal with not having the best gear. To give a real life example, what would be the motivation to put the time and effort into getting a law degree if you could work at taco bell and make the same amount of money?
6-18-2009 @ 5:03PM
Because at the end of the day, this is a game, and it should be fun for as many people as possible, not the small percentage doing deep dives into Ulduar.
6-18-2009 @ 5:13PM
@jfoflaThis isn't a casual vs. hardcore issue. This is an issue over heroics being underpopulated, and therefore new players hit a roadblock trying to get into raids. Don't try to make it something its not.(FYI, people in raids usually outnumber people in heroics, on my server anyways. Just because YOU don't want to spend a certain amount of time and effort ingame earning rewards, doesn't mean you're the majority and that the game should be tailored to meet your desires. You sound just as self-concerned and obnoxious as the "vocal hardcores" that you're complaining about.)
6-18-2009 @ 7:01PM
@Ryanyour example falls apart in that one person can't down a heroic and get a T8 the same that someone can down Yogg and get one.A better example would be "you put in the time and effort to get a law degree to earn in one day someone who works at taco bell earns in a month".
6-18-2009 @ 5:24PM
I don't think the game should be tailored to me as a raiding player though. I understand from a business sense wanting to appeal to as many of your customers as possible, that's just smart business. To me it just seems like it takes away the appeal to run certain raid instances. With this system Naxx will be completely skipped over by new level 80 characters and potentially even Ulduar. Even I'm less inclined to run Ulduar now because if there's a far easier alternative, where's the motivation? And I'm far from "hardcore" at this point. I play about an hour or two a day at best maybe three or four days a week and because of that I don't have any gear beyond 10/25 man Naxx. So why then should I be awarded Ulduar gear when I haven't earned it?
6-18-2009 @ 6:35PM
"Well, one could say - If you don't plan on raiding, then why the hell do you need iLvL 226 gear? They would be justified in saying that, but if you want to stand around Dal and pretend your Leet then who am I to stop you?For me personally, this change will help me get back into raiding. I quit the game about 5 months ago, and now I have fallen behind the gear curve. I am an experienced raider from pre-nerf T6 to competitive hard mode kills before I quit, and this gives me the chance to catch up and get myself back into raiding."You're not "leet" no matter which gear you wear, and if you think you are, you have major self-esteem issues. The difference between a good player and bad player is whether or not they survive the fight and CONTRIBUTE TO THE RAID, and has little to do with the damage or healing meters and the gear that influences those meters.I also quit raiding for several months and mostly just mess around with PvP a couple hours a week, but I still get tells from people all the time asking me to join their runs. Why do they ask me, if I am still in pre-Ulduar gear and everyone I used to out-DPS can now out-DPS me? Because they know if they do Sarth 3D, I will still be standing at the end of the fight. They know 99% of the time I'll go through every boss fight in an instance and be among those still standing and contributing to the raid. They know I can be relied upon to do interrupts, to lead the melee positioning, to run to overcharged adds quickly, etc. None of that has a damn thing to do with my gear.The great downfall of this game is fools like you who think you have to deprive other people of the same content and items you get, because otherwise you would not feel "special." People like you need a psychological evaluation, and Blizzard needs to stop catering to you.
6-18-2009 @ 9:49PM
Skill & determination should make the raider. If you're too inept to check for achievements or figure out who's not [holding aggro/healing proper targets/doing enough damage/alive at the end of the encounter] instead of just checking for tier pieces, remember that even now countless morons who stand in the fire or stack for Emalon's chain lightning are still getting tier pieces as you read this.I see this as a nice way for up & coming skilled players to catch up to the rest of us so they don't spend 2 to 3 months as dead weight while we throw as many drops as we can spare at them. At least this way, if they do poorly because they suck, they'll have decent enough gear for you to notice before you give them too many hard earned items.
6-19-2009 @ 6:51AM
I wasn't sure where to put this, but it seems like a lot of people who are whining about the fact that casuals will be getting 'their' gear are missing a huge piece of the puzzle here.You can buy two tier pieces and 3 pieces of i226 with Conquest Emblems--some of which might not even benefit your spec at all, so in the end, 2 pieces of tier.Now, can anyone tell me how 2 pieces of tier and maybe some extra pieces = all of Ulduar's loot table? Weapons? Offhands? Trinkets? Rings? Relics?You're grabbing at straws if you honestly believe this is going to invalidate all the work you've put into raiding. All this does is give them a leg-up. Maybe your friend hit 80 and you want to bring him into your raid but he's undergeared so you tell him to run Heroics while you're raiding. In the end, he's still not going to get geared enough unless you run him through the previous tier of raids, which you might not have time for if you're working on progression of the current tier. So, they never get the opportunity to raid with you just because they joined the game / hit 80 "too late". "QQ MOAR LEVEL TO 90 FASTER IN THE NEXT EXPANSION" mirite?
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