Patch 3.2 PTR: Tauren Druid conversation may reveal lore and expansion secrets
Reader Chad forwarded us this screen shot of a conversation that takes place over on Elder rise in Thunder Bluff between two Tauren on the patch 3.2 PTR. Apparently it actually begins with a new quest by the Dalaran Portals, as pointed out in this thread at Scrolls of Lore, and while the quest leads nowhere, you do get to hear the linked dialogue. In it, Aponi Brightmane, a wounded warrior who wishes to return the front lines in Northrend, and Tahu Sagewind, a Druid, speak together about the history of Druidism, the moon, and the sun. They speak of Elune, whom they know as Mu'sha, one of the eyes of the the Earth Mother. They mention that it seems strange that if Tauren were the first Druids as their legends claim, that all Hamuul Runetotem teaches is the moon power of the Night Elves. Tahu wonders if Druids themselves, because of this, are out of balance. The idea segues back into the idea of the world out of balance due to the influence of the Scourge, wondering if sitting idle in Thunder Bluff is really a good idea when the Northern front is so bleak, wondering if balance must needs to be returned by action.
This whole conversation has started the lore loving community of WoW buzzing, as you can see in part from the Scrolls of Lore thread. There's quite a few theories on what this conversation could herald, some more outlandish than others, but most of them pretty fun to mull over.
First, there's the idea that this could herald some sort of change for Tauren Druids. While Blizzard mostly homogenizes classes even between factions, some are wondering if this is some change for the Druid class. Maybe Taurens will find their "own path" of Druidism based on the sun, the other eye of the Earthmother and the "balance" for the moon. It would be mostly cosmetic, replacing Moonfire with Sunfire and the like, but it might lead to a deeper understanding of Tauren lore and world lore in general as Tauren return to the "original form" of Druidism.
Of course, some people are a bit uncomfortable with the idea of the Tauren truly being the first Druids. In the past, blue posters have suggested Tauren mythology on the subject might be off, and that Malfurion, as established in other lore, truly was the first Druid. Retconning one of the great accomplishments of Night Elven culture does seem a bit unfair to them, to be fair, but retcons are a fact of life with Warcraft mythology.
There's also some more radical ideas about what this could mean for classes. Some people wonder if the sun, called An'she by the Tauren, could actually be an embodiment of the Light, and by discovering it, we could see Aponi become the first Tauren Paladin, perhaps triggering a wider, more permissive class spread for all races. Others wonder if the Sun, being a primary symbol of the Blood Elves, could lead to the Blood Elf Druids so many have wanted since that boss in The Botanica.
Of course, at the same time, people point out that the Light is already the balance to Shadow, so making it the sun and assigning it to balance the moon might be a bit much, especially since Druidic magic generally seems more primal and chaotic than holy magic.
This could also, some say, point to a new expansion and a new class altogether. This conversation, when people are already looking forward to the next step after Arthas dies, could be pointing to a Druid-specific expansion, such as the Emerald Dream, where Tahu could become the first Druid of the Sun, the new hero class, or at least the major representative of the Tauren in the dream.
I'm still thinking the Maelstrom is our most likely candidate for the next expansion, but then again, the Emerald Dream could always be a set of zones or a dual-focus of the lore in the Maelstrom expansion, especially if they decide to connect the Nightmare to, say, the Naga looking to get revenge on the Night Elves for their defeat during the War of the Ancients. But even then, I don't know that making a near-copy of an existing class is the way to implement a new class. It'll just make all the existing Druids feel a bit inferior for being the "old and busted" version of Druids. So I don't know that this is pointing to a new class, at least not one that is too Druid-like.
Of course, one of the simpler explanations, and one that might be my favorite, is that this simply foreshadows a move by the Druids to fight Arthas in patch 3.3. The Cenarion Circle has been sorely underrepresented in Wrath of the Lich King. Their biggest presence is in the D.E.H.T.A, a small group of fanatics who are primarily part of an elaborate inside joke about Hemet Nesingwary's animal killing quests more than anything serious. We've seen novel descriptions and comic book illustrations of Druids calling forth the true wrath of the wild to summon terrifying storms or cause trees and roots to grow instantly and overtake demons or choke cave entrances. The Cenarion Circle could take an active hand in the battle against Arthas in a similar way, and with Tahu sounding anxious to get to the front lines all of a sudden, we could see him out there at the head of a group of Druids, tearing down the walls of the Icecrown Citadel with the power of nature.
Whatever the true meaning of this conversation, and no matter what it might foreshadow, it's definitely a lot of fun to speculate, and seems to point to some pretty juicy happenings down the line, no matter what their nature. With any luck, maybe we'll see the quest line for these 2 character extend, or maybe even see a Night Elf/Alliance equivalent conversation that will provide more insight from another angle. If nothing else, I have a very good feeling we'll see more from Aponi and Tahu in patch 3.3.
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Reader Comments (Page 3 of 8)
Craig R Aug 4th 2009 2:55PM
According to tauren lore, Cenarius instructed them first in druidism as recounted in their myth Forestlord and the First Druids. The series of Warcraft games has not expanded on this hypothesis however. As it currently stands, the Night Elves claim the "first" druid is Malfurion Stormrage, whose claim that he was the first mortal druid and Cenarius's greatest student is challenged by the Tauren teachings that they were the first. A blue named poster on the forums (Bliz forum mod) claimed essentially, "The Tauren believe they were first. The Night Elves were the first."
bam.
Clbull Jun 28th 2009 9:38PM
I think that if the Maelstrom is the next expansion (which it likely could be), then we could possibly see Undermine as the next Sanctuary city (like Shattrath and Dalaran.) However, the Emerald Dream could also be a setting, because of the Nightmare and the large amount of hints towards druids being a large part of the next expansion.
My guess (based on the hints about opening the Greymane Wall) is that Gilneas could be a new zone that could be opened in the content patch right before the next expansion, and that the next expansion will take us to the Maelstrom and the islands of Azeroth (like Kul'Tiras, Undermine, etc)
Mike Jun 28th 2009 9:44PM
Given the lack of civilization in the Emerald Dream, I very much doubt it'll be the sole focus of any expansion (namely, where would we get gear?). However it has great potential for some very intensive instances. I can picture a multi-wing, Nexus-style dungeon, with with a couple 5-mans and a raid along the lines of OS or EoE.
Mike Jun 28th 2009 9:45PM
Perhaps a whole zone inside the Dream, even, like Coldarra on a larger scale.
Zarfay Jun 28th 2009 9:50PM
I still don't see why people think the maelstorm is more likely than the emerald dream. Prior to the expansions we tend to see hints here and there and I feel there has been far more hints towards the emerald dream. For example in one of the icecrown quests we are taken to the emerald dream. And I personally think that this conversation is further proof of the likelyness of the emerald dream being the next expansion.
Kironeya Jun 28th 2009 10:23PM
Because the Emerald Dream doesn't seem "meaty", broad and exciting enough to carry an expansion on it's own. Maelstroem just seems way more of a complete setting for a full expansion. As others have pointed out here already, ED doesn't seem, as far as we know, a suitable capital city, nor to have a wide variety of "local civilizations" (and accompanying factions), not an obvious broad range of side plots like Outland and Northrend have. It's basically just one plot, but an expansion needs a handful of strong major plots, plus small subplots for various quests.
For this reason, I do not think ED will ever become an expansion of it's own. it would make a lot more sense to add it (as a side-plot, similar to the "titans" side plot, or Vrykyl sideplot, in Northrend) to a Maelstrom expansion. There will thus be a major ED raid, probably similar to Ulduar in timing and size, one or two 5-mans, and of course a persistent presence of the ED theme in quests, and perhaps also a zone or two.
theRaptor Jun 29th 2009 4:33AM
@Kironeya
Bah people don't know what the hell they are talking about. The Emerald Dream isn't just some zone with a bunch of lazy green dragons it is a shadow version of the entirety of Azeroth (and possibly other worlds). It was originally supposed to be a place where many of the sapient races of Azeroth had never existed and life had taken an alternative path (without titan interference?)
In terms of scope for an expansion the Maelstrom offers much less (under water ruins and a lot of naga, yah). Personally I think they will probably do both at once and tie it all into a final battle between the Old Gods and Titans, and put WoW on life support before the realease of their next MMO. I really don't see where they can take WoW that is any good after the next expansion as we pretty much only have Titan level lore characters left to kill, the power creep is too high to make us go back to killing rats again.
Moonkinmaniac Jun 28th 2009 9:49PM
The tcg has pointed to new spells and things in the game before they were implemented. A while back we saw cards like the druids of the fang whom turned into snakes instead of cats. I'd like to think if there's any kind of split in the class it would be one like that. There is a druid tcg attack card called SunFire that states this at the bottom "Those unworthy of the Earth Mother's grace are burned by her touch." Interestingly enough it is a female nightelf casting the spell so if these are truly blizzard's future plans i doubt night elves need worry about being left out.
OLDMIKE Jun 28th 2009 11:53PM
there are druids of the fang in the game now
http://www.wowwiki.com/Druids_of_the_Fang
kozom Jun 28th 2009 9:49PM
Even the NPCS agree that balance needs buffs.
Ultron Jun 28th 2009 9:49PM
Hey, er... thanks for linking to SoL (this is Omacron from the website)... but... er, did you have to basically parrot our entire discussion on the subject in your article?
Must be a slow news day.
Allison Robert Jun 28th 2009 10:19PM
The conversation in TB is something I'd mentioned in an as-yet unpublished Shifting Perspectives and within It Came From the Blog gchat yesterday afternoon. WoW.com writers have also had a discussion about it since a few of us managed to get on the PTR. I sent Dan the link to the Scrolls of Lore forums late last night after the writers talked about it (found it searching for the two new NPC's in question), just because I thought you guys had a really good thread going with some good points, but I can assure you that everything he's written about here is something he'd talked about before I thought to send him the Scrolls thread.
I'm sorry you find this offensive, Omacron. I won't link Scrolls of Lore again if this causes issues; I just thought it would be good attention to a great forum community containing a relevant thread.
Ultron Jun 28th 2009 11:08PM
Eh. SoL has a rampant bot problem and most of the people, including me at times, just don't suffer newbs very well. It's fine that you link us, I suppose, just try to add something more to the lore theories than reiterating what we have already said. Surely you must have your own opinions, no?
Amritrao Jun 28th 2009 11:25PM
"It's fine that you link us, I suppose ... " (emphasis mine)
Is this your first day on the Interwebs or something? Linking is what people do, especially when they think something on the other end of the link is interesting and they want other people to read it. It's actually considered to be a bit of a compliment.
Amritrao Jun 28th 2009 11:27PM
WoW.com ate my fancy emphatic italics!
Allison Robert Jun 28th 2009 11:53PM
"Eh. SoL has a rampant bot problem and most of the people, including me at times, just don't suffer newbs very well. It's fine that you link us, I suppose, just try to add something more to the lore theories than reiterating what we have already said. Surely you must have your own opinions, no?"
The majority of Dan's article was drafted before I ever sent him the link to the Scrolls thread, so I don't know what to tell you. I don't find it a big stretch that reasonable commenters on different sites can reach the same or similar conclusions from the same bit of ingame lore. I just thought, "Hey, neat thread, and WoW.com has lots of lore junkies who'd love to see it."
To be frank, I don't believe anyone is obligated to get your permission to link Scrolls if your forums are publicly available, but I understand that you are not necessarily comfortable with this (btw, you may also be able to solve some of your bot problem by going private). I'll try to make sure we don't link Scrolls again.
Reuben Jun 29th 2009 1:21AM
This is totally ridiculous. I'll make sure to avoid SoL in the future.
Faar Jun 29th 2009 1:41AM
What exactly are you so upset about? News reporting is always about condensing events into digestible form. It's not much of a news post to just say, "here's a link to , go read it."
Angus Jun 29th 2009 3:02AM
I read the conversation from the link before I read the article.
From the conversation I came up with 2 of the theories presented in the article and SoL.
Was I psychic? Did I unknowingly manage to steal the ideas in SoL without having read them?
Nope. I'm guessing it was freaking logic.
Don't act like someone coming to the exact same conclusions had to steal the ideas on your site. It's insulting to the intelligence of the readers. The article easily could have come to the conclusions without your site.
Coming onto a blog that frequently causes wow lovers to crash sites with new traffic, boosts permanent readership in some sites and complaining about being linked is bad. But then acting holier than thou and effectively accusing someone of plagiarism is downright stupid.
Had they not linked to your site I would not have even known about it. I was liking what I saw until I read this pissy comment of yours. So now not only have you managed to make yourself look like a donkey, but you lost a potential reader.
Congrats.
elfennau Jun 29th 2009 8:26AM
Obviously SoL is so cool that no one else could EVER come up with the same ideas.
Ah well, at least now I know not to bother making an account at SoL, because "elitists" is all that comes to mind. I mean, how could I not see that only a select group of people on the intarwebz are awesomez enough to delve into WoW lore, eh?
Take your elitist forum private and save yourself some trouble, and the rest of us the bother. :)