Both were exploits, full stop. There is no argument you could make to defend Ensidia here. Now I realize that in your world, they are the greatest people on earth. Fortunately history and the evidence tells us a different story. The accusations on their website are FAR from baseless. There is plenty of proof around the net to back up each of their claims.

Lulz, causing monsters to evade is a well known reason for ban. Again, if you can't see the difference between these two cases I feel sorry for you.

And you can stop with the condescending crap, I'm not an Ensidia fanboy, far from it.

You don't realize how feeble the "plenty of proof around the net" argument sounds, do you? Teh internet is a well known source of the ultimate truth, afterall.

In order for Ensidia to pull off the hodir exploit they would have to spell steal the buff, go invis to drop combat and immediately be summoned by a warlock back to hodir for an immediate pull. I don't have to remind any of you hardcore players that spell-stolen buffs are 2 minutes MAX, and hodir hard mode is 3 minutes.

I REALLY doubt that was how it was intended to be played... So yeah - its just as much an exploit as Exodus's.

Evade is just as much a game mechanic as all the mess above - it just means the mob couldn't hit you for whatever reason.

I don't think they used summon, they probably pulled the mobs to Hodir's room. Not that it really makes a difference in the "right or wrong" debate.

Well either way - Blizzard I'm positive didn't intend for mages to have 40k dps for that fight...

Talking with a friend at Blizzard - he said simply - yeah gm's in Europe have a different set of standards than they do here, because honestly this isn't the first time Nihilum/Ensidia have been accused and even caught exploiting a really tough raid boss. I've never heard them serve time for their miss-deeds though.

Ya know... wasn't there a similar exploit to Hodirs with Anub'arak where mages would spellsteal a certain mob's buff in Storm Peaks, get summoned to his chamber, and used the massive DPS increase to trivialize that encounter's "achievement"?
Yeah, didn't they say that was a big "no no" and hot-fixed it?
Think so.