World first of "Alone in the Darkness" a possible exploit
We reported last week that a guild named Exodus on the US realm of Ysondre had come out of nowhere to topple the world first of the Heroic: Alone in the Darkness achievement, which requires that you bring down the biggest bad currently in the game, Yogg-Saron, with no help from any of the Keepers in Ulduar. But not so fast, says Serennia over at WoWRiot -- over on their forums Ensidia is claiming that Exodus used an exploit, and that their kill doesn't count at all. Apparently, having Thorim help on the fight keeps the "Immortal Guardians" in the last phase of the fight from being a problem, and without Thorim, you have to not only do the fight without his extra 10% damage bonus (each Keeper ups your DPS that much), but you have to deal with the Guardians messing up your melee classes, and oh yeah: they both heal and get healed by Yogg. Not that it's impossible to do it, but it's definitely not easy, and Ensidia claims that Exodus found a known exploit that allows you to evade the Guardians out completely, thus turning the last phase into a straight tank-and-spank, obviously much easier.After that, it gets into some guild back and forth (Ensidia apparently did something that might have been an exploit on Hodir, and when people call them out on that, they say that the exploits were different -- Ensidia's tactic was just an interesting use of game mechanics, while the exploit Exodus is suspected of using is more of a cheat), but the fact remains that Exodus is clearly not a guild that anyone expected to clear what might be the toughest raiding achievement in the game before anyone else, and yet that's exactly what they did. Ensidia says they won't be killing Yogg for the achievement using the exploit, and that they've reported the Exodus kill to the devs, so we'll have to see if the devs decide that Exodus did cheat, or if they let Exodus keep their achievements and mounts. We're not sure how much it all matters, with world first kills not being all that important any more (and that's exactly what the devs might say as well), but Ensidia is claiming that an exploit took place -- we'll have to see if that turns out to be true.
Thanks, Nimrod!
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 5)
Valhalaar Jun 29th 2009 7:06PM
It's funny how Ensidia whines when another guild gets a World First before them.
Jack Spicer Jun 29th 2009 7:19PM
Because the crux of this story isn't an accomplishment by Ensidia, everyone now has free reign to vent their hatred about everyone's favorite paid-to-play guild.
Go!
SixTwoSixFour Jun 29th 2009 7:34PM
I admire Ensidia's work as much as anyone, Jack, but they are the DEFINITION of arrogance- is it surprising some people aren't so crazy about them?
Superthrust Jun 29th 2009 7:34PM
first post is definitly quoted for truth...now that they didn't get a world first, they QQ. Stupid nubs.
Mediator Jun 29th 2009 7:41PM
Stop feeding the damn trolls IMO. There have been numerous different "exploits" that enisidia has claimed are possible, that they mysteriously kept secret, and that exodus used. This has been going on since the kill was announced, delete this article please because you're only feeding the damn trolls.
Heilig Jun 29th 2009 9:54PM
"Exodus is clearly not a guild that anyone expected to clear what might be the toughest raiding achievement in the game before anyone else, and yet that's exactly what they did. "
Ok, I can't stand Exodus, it's entirely populated by dickheads, but this statement is just wrong. Exodus is one of the top guilds in the US, and if I recall correctly got the world first M'uru kill. May have been Twins, I don't remember exactly, but they are clearly not a second tier guild by any stretch of the imagination.
EZ Jun 29th 2009 11:15PM
I don't care who's guild is the best, or who gets paid 2 play, or who's GM slept with who's GM, but one thing I do care about is this:
KEEP YER EXPLOITZ OUT OF MAH WORLD FIRSTS!
Cheating for world first on the hardest encounter this expansion has to offer is worthy of a BAN, and the black spot on the guilds reputation for life. I despise cheaters, gold sellers, scammers, and liars.
EZ Jun 29th 2009 11:22PM
oh, and if you dont know - it is officialy an exploit - 72 hour bans around the table:
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=18031199986&sid=1
epicboyz Jun 29th 2009 7:07PM
QQ More Ensidia
Apoc Jun 29th 2009 7:09PM
Crap imo, Nihilum cheated on their Vashj kill, Also their Mimiron hard mode they cheated too , as well as hodir. They've done it multiple times. They should stop crying cuz someone finally beat them.
Karilyn Jun 29th 2009 8:32PM
"Our cheating is different"
Pwnxor Jun 29th 2009 7:08PM
Shenanigans?!?! Drat. And Kaywarrior was looking pimp in that disembodied head. Will be interesting to see how this develops. It this is ruled an exploit, would it be the kind of offense that could get the guild hit with the banhammer?
Xonate Jun 29th 2009 7:09PM
I have to say, as soon as I saw that it was Ensidia saying that Exodus cheated, I just laughed. It's just not credible when it comes from, you know, the people that were probably playing (working?) as hard as possible to get it first.
M Jun 30th 2009 9:16AM
Who better to know if or when an encounter was exploited than Ensidia, who are the masters at it? ;)
Evr Jun 29th 2009 7:11PM
If you would have taken the time to read the whole read, no one from Ensidia has accused Exodus of using an exploit. Ensidia stated they have found an exploit and reported it to the devs.
Evr Jun 29th 2009 7:13PM
*thread
Balrickst Jun 29th 2009 7:14PM
" Ensidia is claiming that Exodus used an exploit, and that their kill doesn't count at all. " You read the post please.
Catrat Jun 29th 2009 7:15PM
"Ensidia is claiming that an exploit took place"
Maybe you should read the article.
CyberNigma Jun 29th 2009 7:28PM
QUOTE from page 17 by Buzzkill/Ensidia Moderator
http://ensidia.com/community/post/2265/?page=17
Buzzkill, Conqueror of Naxxramas
Orc Warlock
Magtheridon (EU)
So, we have this:
- Guild that spent around 30 hours on normal Yogg 4 before killing it, not even clearing whole Ulduar yet.
- guild that can barely kill yogg 1, check their movie of the kill, nice madness control there.
- that guild, that was never known to be inventive, good at strategies or execution gets the world first achievement of a very buggy boss, after just 2 days of progression.
- every single end game guild with basically all world firsts so far says that its impossible, EJ's math aside, you need only basic common sense to realise that.
-a known exploit exists, one that trivialises the assumingly cockblocked phase to a level of tank'n'spank that a better pug could do
- we have no movie of the kill, nor typical eXo childish spam on forums/irc that was there whenever they achieved anything.
So what are the possibilities?
Exodus found a "think outside the box" strategy, one that better, more experienced guilds didn't and killed it in 2 days of progression after proving themselves on their own movies how bad they actually are on the boss itself and Ulduar progress in general, not to even mention they havent killed Algalon yet, a straightforward tank'n'spank. Hmmm.
They claim it's luck, maybe, but i myself and i know a lot of other people and guilds that just can't think of one lucky scenario, not even 1/100000 that would make a not best-of-the-best guild kill it. What would that scenario be? Maybe someone can enlighten me, I got no clue. And without the existence of a movie I will remain sceptical.
PS. all the comments about us being butthurt are just lol. Said a month ago, that chances of us getting a world first kill are close to nil, since either its gonna be killed by a "whichever starts raiding the earliest" Us guild or someone finds a cheesy or sploitive way to kill it.
Also, we will not kill it in this form, even though we could oneshot it with eyes closed, it's been reported to devs and we hope it gets fixed before someone decides to use it.
END QUOTE
He does not come outright and accuse the other guild of cheating, but you can't really insinuate any closer than he does without actually accusing outright the other guild of cheating.
CyberNigma Jun 29th 2009 7:31PM
With that stated, I think at least someone in Ensidia has sour grapes/butthurt/whatever you other folks are calling it. It seems, though, that most of the other members seem to be pretty fair about not accusing anything and prepared to wait and see what the devs say about it.
I imagine anyone getting paid for world firsts (as I guess people mention) would actually stand to lose money if someone else beat them to it. I don't know this is the case, though - it certainly would be the case for other sponsored sports.