15 Minutes of Fame: The Craft Dinner gang

I really can't think of a more enjoyable way to game than in the same room as your friends. Even back in the EverQuest era, when my husband's Monk and my own Magician actively avoided one another outside of raids (incompatible characters, incompatible playstyles – we couldn't have been a worse mix), we got plenty of kicks and giggles from keeping an eye on one another's screens. These days, raid nights at our house mean not two but four players (three in my office, one upstairs – more, if friends with laptops are here). AFK breaks spawn a queue at the fridge that inevitably coalesces into a rowdy debate over the evening's tactics and drops.
So when I spotted these kindred spirits in a news tip from Khaz Modan-US, I knew I'd found a group of players who could show WoW.com readers the glories of playing in the same room. "We're a group of eight friends in real life that get together once a week for what we call 'Craft Dinner,' which involves lugging all our gear to one of our houses, sharing a meal together, then hitting up a 10-man raid (we PuG the last two to three spots, generally)," wrote Stumpsky. "Last night, we just cleared 10-man Naxx for the first time -- which was a big accomplishment, as we just started to raid as a full group at the beginning of May. We don't use Vent, because we're all in the same room, and we all find it the most enjoyable way to play the game we love."
Main character Stumpsky Server Khaz Modan-US
Gaming background I started playing WoW just prior to its initial release back in November 2004, when they opened the beta up to the public a couple weeks before WoW was officially released. Back then, I was a Dwarf Priest that leveled Holy (due to my ignorance of the Shadow tree) until I was level 50. I'd like to think I have a better understanding of the game now. I've always been a bit of a console gamer, milking the N64 for all its worth, along with dabbling with the PS2. As far as PC goes, Starcraft was the main culprit, along with Warcraft III. WoW was my first MMORPG.
15 Minutes of Fame: Before we dive into dinnertime, Stumpsky, can you untangle the roots of your gaming group for us? How do you all know one another?
Stumpsky: Soon after I started playing, I got my brother to start playing. After leveling our Alliance characters to 60, my brother got two of his real life friends to play, and we rerolled Horde characters in the winter of 2006. After getting all of our characters to about level 45, we lost interest, and we all stopped playing for about a year.
Then in spring 2008, we talked about how sweet it would be to start a weekly night in the summer where as a group, we casually would level our characters through Outland, doing the level appropriate dungeons each week. So the four of us made a push to get our characters to 60. But it's no fun to have to have a random fill the last spot of the group, so we looked for a fifth person to join us. It just so happened that we found out that a new friend that we met about a month before used to play, and he was all for starting up a character on our server. By the time summer rolled around, we had a solid group of five level 60s ready to take on Outland.
How did dinner work its way into the weekend gathering?
Back when we were discussing having a weekly play night, we all agreed that to be at the same location would greatly increase the fun and the experience of play. Since we're all guys who enjoy to eat, it seemed natural to combine dinner with the evening before we started purging Outland.
We've always affectionately called WoW "The Craft," and since there was now a dinner aspect, we thought it funny and suiting to call the evening "Craft Dinner" -- but thankfully, the original Kraft Dinner has yet to make an appearance.
Do you cook or order in? And who gets stuck with cleanup?
Our meals are generally fairly simple to make, but that doesn't necessarily mean simple in taste. Depending on the mood (and weather, for that matter), the meals range from fresh vegetables with olive oil, salt and pepper on the BBQ with a cut of meat and a fresh salad, to deluxe steak burritos with black beans, avocado and a variety of other fixings.
Last summer, all the dinners were at my brother's house, and due that both of us find cooking relaxing and enjoyable, we did the brunt of the cooking. At the end of the meal, generally the people who didn't cook clean up, though the dishwasher usually makes short work of the cleanup.
Who's the host of this whole host?
Last summer, pretty much all the Craft Dinners were held at my brother's, mostly due to it's being a central point for everyone as well as having the space for us to set up our gear. This summer, however, we've been playing at Grumuuk our Shaman's house, due to him and his wife having a baby boy about three months ago. This allows him to take breaks during the night to give his wife a break (as well as it gives his wife the opportunity to enjoy the laughable fact that seven grown men are playing computer games in her living room). Due to this location change and being a new parent, the dinners themselves have been on a bit of a hold so far this summer, as to not overwhelm Grumuuk and his wife.
How do you handle all the hardware? That's a lot of equipment and bandwidth for one room!
Right now, we have two people with laptops and four people who have desktops. Our Mage has a laptop, but due to his moving fairly far away this past year, he remotes in to join us. Two of the desktops have wireless, and two are connected directly via ethernet. We haven't had any problems with the connection so far, and we've had success with the lag-sensitive fights such as Heigan and Thaddius, so overall it's been great. We'll see how it holds up when we add two more to our ranks in a couple of weeks.
We suspect a room with this many computers and this many WoW players must heat up and develop its own, shall we say, particular fragrance. Discuss. ;)
By the end of the night, it definitely gets quite hot. We liken it to a sauna -- as does Grum's wife. We'll see how this goes as the summer gets hotter and our bodies rebel.
How would you compare the chatter level to what's typical on Vent?
I would say it's generally more talkative and I'd say less interruptive, as face-to-face communication often offers better cues than Vent can. Conversation often stretches from the boss strategy we're trying to master (including making fun of the bosses' mothers) to work or life in general. Since we all know each other (and some of us even work together), it provides a very comfortable, friendly atmosphere.

After moving from doing Outland dungeons last summer with five of us to 10-man raids this summer with seven (soon to be nine) of us, I can see why Vent is so important for those gamers who aren't able to play with their guild all in the same room. In general, there's one or two of us that brief and/or remind everyone of specific mechanics for each fight.
Due to the last spots in the raid being filled by random players, the conversation around the table can get fairly heated, particularly when the random Paladin we picked up is trying to kill zombies on Gluth instead of letting our Mage kite them. Overall, the game-specific communication is still fairly light and sprinkled with general conversation.
Do certain players prefer to sit together – for example, tanks and healers?
For the past couple of weeks our healers have sat beside each other, which has been very helpful, as one of our healers is fairly new to raid healing, so watching an experienced healer is a great tool. Tanks generally don't sit beside each other but are usually talking back and forth for coordination. It's fun for me as a healer to sit beside a DPS, just so I can get another flare of the game by just averting my eyes to their screen for a second, then quickly pop a heal before letting my eyes wander again.
What's been the most enjoyable aspect of your gatherings?
I'd say the most enjoyable part of Craft Dinner is that we have a tight-knit group of skilled, very casual players that are accomplishing 10-man raid content with great success. Even though we raid once a week (alternating Wednesdays and Mondays, as to be able to play twice on the same reset), we've even been able to clear Naxx, killing Kel'Thazud for the first time last week. Having 70% of the raid group as the guild also generally ensures that most of the loot that is dropped goes to someone who's around the table, which is always great to see.
What about those last few spots in the raid?
Everyone in the guild is part of the RL crew, although they may not always be present physically at Craft Dinner. Currently we have a Warlock friend leveling towards 80, as well as another friend (an 80 Mage) who is currently tree-planting in Northern Canada who will join us in about a week or so, bringing our total number up to nine. Ideally, it would be great to have 10, but we're all right with asking one or two of our online friends if they're interested in filling the last spot. We're not recruiting.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
jurandr Jun 30th 2009 3:09PM
Sounds like you guys are having a lot of fun. I personally find the game a ton more interesting when I have real-life friends to play it with.
swampsquatch Jun 30th 2009 3:17PM
Out of all my RL friends that play wow (somewhere around 10 - 15) we have only attempted 4 of us playing together at a time in the same room. There have been talks of us starting a guild and having nights like these. It is really the best way to play.
snowleopard233 Jun 30th 2009 3:18PM
I can totally relate to these guys. The people I primarily play WoW with are my real-life friends and we often meet up and order some Chinese and have a few beers while playing. It makes the game really fun when you’re playing with people who you can not only see face to face but who also understand if you need to go to the bathroom or take a phone call. In my opinion, it’s truly the best way to play.
AnneM Jun 30th 2009 3:20PM
I'm jealous, it sounds like tons of fun. It definitely adds to the game when you are involved with the people you play with. I've only met a couple of my WoW guildies, and we all live far apart..
Brian Jun 30th 2009 3:25PM
This is pimp.
BadTouchies Jun 30th 2009 3:30PM
Hey, it's BadTouchies here (one of the Ominous/Craft Dinner folks). Thanks for the great comments.
One of the things that didn't really come out in the interview, which I think is well worth mentioning, is how Craft Dinner has allowed us to quite handily overcome one of the stereotypical consequences of gaming - isolation. No pasty skin and mother's basements here, friends. Not only are we rocking through great content online, but we're building community and deepening relationships. A few of the guys we play with have become close friends on account of regular, weekly time together. Sometimes other friends will actually come to watch (which I think is a little silly, but hey, cool for them).
Another funny little tidbit is that of the six original Craft Dinnerites, four of us are either working on or have finished our Masters degrees. The reason our Lock hasn't hit 80 is thanks to complications in the lab. Poor fella. He'll get there.
Robert M Jun 30th 2009 3:52PM
Loved the post, it made me think of episodes from "the big bang theory," of which my better half is always makign fun of me about.
ladygamertn Jun 30th 2009 3:42PM
My husband and I play together a lot, my warrior helped his mage get to 80. His mage teleports all my toons to Dalaran. Our deathknights rode together for a while until it was just too embarrassing to kill things so easily as a team. We have a guild on three different realms that we use to share mats and have complementary crafting and gathering professions. He plays in the bedroom and I am in the computer room. It is easy to yell to each other down the hall.
I think that's what made pen and paper D and D so much fun, getting together with friends to adventure. I wish there was an easy way to find local people to play with. I have done some goggling but there doesn't seem to be any way to find locals.
Orcasaurus Jun 30th 2009 3:47PM
Nice write up - I have known these guys for a while now, they are a great group, with a great set-up. I would recommend more people do this if possible.
Evermore Jun 30th 2009 5:04PM
I'd love to be able to do something like this , sounds like great fun.
Saint Jun 30th 2009 4:59PM
Ha, that's awesome. I play with my fiance sitting across from me, I tank and she heals, and it's really the best way to play the game. I couldn't imagine playing with 6 other people though, I'm sure it'd get pretty chaotic at times. Not that that's a BAD thing! It'd be a hell of a lot of fun.
Two other players in my guild are a couple as well, and just the two couples playing together has a great chemistry. The only downside is when either couple has a spat it tends to bring everyone down. We all agree to put aside minor issues for the raid's sake, and being that the four of us make up the core of the raid we pretty much have to or nothing would get done. Still, everyone gets a little down when one of us are unhappy. You can just tell from how tense Vent can be. If you have eight people in a room together and one of them says something to piss another one off, I imagine it wouldn't be very good for the raid. People tend to take sides and with that many people the sides would be ugly.
All and all I know I heavily criticized the last 15 Minutes article for being irrelevant, but this is what kind of article I like. It's people who play the game in a unique fashion, by raiding in the same room instead of on Vent. And that's really something cool that I've only heard of at LAN parties or in smaller groups and I think more people should raid together like this.
holgord Jun 30th 2009 5:11PM
But if you had a million dollars, you wouldn't have to eat craft dinner.
Kadamon Jun 30th 2009 5:36PM
No....we'd still just have more though.
Chuck Jun 30th 2009 8:00PM
I am in the process of doing something similar to this at Liberty University where I work, but on a slightly larger scale. At last count there are 1,454 people at LU that are WoW'ers that play for 2-4 hours each day. I am working on organizing gaming nights at the student center starting this fall when they come back for class. We run Gigabit Wireless Ethernet here and 99% use laptops so the network won't be an issue, plus 11 of the players are our IT techs on campus anyway.
Areidice Jun 30th 2009 9:13PM
AWESOME. I wish I had that amount of RL friends that played. Would make for some very interesting evenings
chevysdad07 Jul 1st 2009 2:46PM
I love to play with other people in the same room, my cuz,nefew,and little brother play so we all get together about once a week (give or take).Normaly we all get together at my house(dangit none of them have thier licence yet so i have to pick em all up)ill order pizza or cook.We have a blast (even tho none of us are above lvl 35 lmao).I started and gradualy got them hooked and we just mainly run around and kill the occational unfortunate critter that happens by.We try not to grind alone because we all want to stay around the same lvl.They have kind of out lvld me tho with all of them being on summer vacation and me sitting at work all day(bad thing is im paying for my lil bros and nefews acc......maby ill cut em off for a week or so to catch up....).But yea i highly recomend playing with rl friends in the same room,you get more bang for your buck so to speak.