Totem Talk: Ulduar non-set mail, part 3

The past couple of weeks have been exciting with Q&A's to analyze and PTR changes to consider. It's been easy for me to forget that I left our round-up of mail drops in Uldar half-way through the 25 man items. One of the things I forgot to gripe about as much as I really should have last time we discussed Ulduar mail is the complete and utter lack of mail boots for elemental shamans in the instance. As of the last time I checked, there are three pairs of boots in Ulduar 25: two enhancement, (yes yes, I suppose hunters might use them too) and one mostly suited to restoration shamans. And I covered all three pairs of boots last time anyway.
Let's get right to the heart of it, shall we?
Ulduar 25 cont.
Darkcore Leggings - Why are these great for an enhancement shaman? Well, besides the nice spread of stats and the two sockets (I'd prefer red for agi or exp gems, but you can socket them any way you like after all) you'll notice that they have hit, haste (maelstrom weapon gooooo) and attack power, and no armor penetration on them. So none of their item budget has been spent on a stat that will only increase our weapon damage and not our shocks or instant cast lightning bolts when Maelstrom Weapon procs. In other words, every stat these legs give you is a stat that will boost all of your damage and not just some of it. Plus, they're BoE, so even if they never drop for you there's always a chance a pair will be on the AH for a hideous, hideous high price that will make you gasp in shock. General Vezax drops these.
Helm of the Furnace Master - Again, we're talking an enhancement hat (in the interesting medieval gas mask stylings of hunter T8, no less) with no armor pen, but crit, haste and attack power in addition to the meta gem and other socket and solid stats. It's comparable to the Blue Aspect Helm from Malygos so if you have that hat, this wouldn't really be much of an upgrade, slightly more crit and agi, less int and AP, more stam, it's really a case of two effectively identical items in terms of your DPS. Amazingly, Ignis drops these.
Iron-studded Mantle - Alas, we're back to the armor pen mail. Still, if you're an enhancement shaman and you're not rocking your tier shoulders yet (say, because Yogg-Saron doesn't know what protector shoulders look like and just drops vanquisher week in, week out, not that I know what that feels like or anything) these are a decent option. You'd gain more in terms of raw stats and attack power and hit going to these from Tier 7, but you'd lose crit and expertise. Since both expertise and armor pen only affect your white damage (spells use neither) it's kind of up to you to know whether or not you have enough expertise without the Tier, but for me these are only a meh upgrade. These drop from any of the Iron Council bosses.
Leggings of the Stoneweaver - Kologarn drops these resto legs, BoE and solidly itemized: if you're a resto shaman you may want to spend DKP or roll need or whatever your raids do when these drop. They lack haste and a socket but in all other ways outperform Tier 7 and match up well with Tier 8 for resto shamans. These drop from the chest after you bash Kologarn down to size.
Leggings of the Tortured Earth - And speaking of resto shaman legs, here's another set. They're in the same ballpark as the Stoneweaver legs, and in the terms of comparison it comes down to whether you feel you need the crit or the haste more. I'm a bit of a crit junkie myself, but I'm not denying the power of haste for a shaman healer trying to get his LHW cast times down with haste and Tidal Waves. I think the incoming talent changes will make haste even more valuable since Tidal Waves will provide crit and not effective haste to lesser healing wave. Both sets of legs are good, they're just itemized for different healing strategies. These drop from trash mobs throughout Ulduar.
Pauldrons of the Combatant - And we come to a set of resto shaman shoulders. Like the Amice of the Stoic Watch (their elemental cousins) they share a skin with Shaman T8.These shoulders are interesting because they have two gem sockets, more stamina than int (still a lot of int, it's just interesting to note that stamina is their highest stat) and in general seem better itemized than their Tier cousins. This is understandable as these drop from Thorim's hard mode.
Quartz-Studded Harness - A lot of shamans prefer this as their one non-set piece (a role the Leggings of the Tortured Earth or Pauldrons of the Combatant are also strong contenders for) due to its solid itemization and heavy dose of haste. Since this piece drops from XT - 002 it's reasonably soon into the instance and can be held onto for when you have a full tier set and can pick and choose as you wish.
Runeshaper's Gloves - A solid set of elemental gloves (while they'll certainly work for a resto shaman with all that crit and haste, the lack of MP5, which elemental has no desire for, seems to aim them at elemental) from any of the Iron Council bosses. While crit's not as big a deal for elemental as it once was, there's not really a lot of options of elemental shamans anymore - these are the only elemental gloves I currently know of in Ulduar 25.
Saronite Mesh Legguards - These excellent leggings drop off of Razorscale, but while they're very good, I would actually rate the Darkcore as a superior set because they have no Armor Pen on them. They're pretty equivalent otherwise, with the Saronite Mesh having crit that the Darkcore lack but I think most elemental shamans would rather have the hit and haste than ArP. Your individual mileage may, as always, vary. I personally wouldn't kick either pair of legs to the curb.
Shoulders of Misfortune - Enhancement shoulders, I would prefer these to the Iron-studded Mantle even though they're a trash drop. Crit and haste instead of ArP, you lose out on hit but get a red socket to play with. I can't stress enough how much I like seeing Maelstrom Weapon proc. These can help you to do that with that dose of haste.
Steamworker's Goggles - Resto hat from Flame Leviathan, making them fairly easy to get even if you just PuG the place. Itemized similarly to the Pauldrons of the Combatant with higher stam than int, but with crit instead of haste. A very solid healing hat all told. (Since I love crit on my healing gear I'd love to get a set of these.)
Wristguards of the Firetender - Resto bracers from Ignis. Pretty much the only non-hard mode wrist drop for caster shamans in Ulduar 25. An upgrade from the Emblem of Valor bracers, although not nearly as impressive as I'd like them to be all told.
I think it's fair to say that Ulduar 25 needs more elemental gear. Enhancement's pretty well covered due to its sharing gear with hunters and most of the caster gear in Ulduar seems geared towards resto, at least unless they nerf Replenishment so badly that DPS casters need to start stacking MP5. I'm starting to wonder if the complaints I hear from my guild's elemental shamans are because there's simply not a lot of gear really well designed for them.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
Angus Jul 5th 2009 2:19PM
"Since both expertise and armor pen only affect your white damage (spells use neither) it's kind of up to you to know whether or not you have enough expertise without the Tier, but for me these are only a meh upgrade."
Expertise effects:
Windfury (yellow I believe, technically)
Stormstrike (yellow)
Lava Lash (yellow)
Flametongue weapon (a dodged attack does no FT damage, also yellow)
Indirectly Maelstrom Weapon (dodged attacks cannot proc a MW charge)
Ounce for ounce Expertise is one of your absolutely best itemization values until you hit the dodge cap. Trading it for armor pen when it would get you below the dodge cap is a DPS loss unless the item is so much better it makes up for it without the armor pen. The hit rating is actually a good point. If you are not spell hit capped, then it gets weird.
TL;DR: Ignore those shoulders unless they will spell hit cap you (13%) and you can make the expertise cap somewhere else.
sccorp.sc Jul 5th 2009 2:28PM
"Since both expertise and armor pen only affect your white damage (spells use neither) it's kind of up to you to know whether or not you have enough expertise without the Tier, but for me these are only a meh upgrade."
He specifically said it's "up to you to know whether or not you have enough expertise without the Tier", which means you're either arguing or simply reiterating what he's already stated. Neither of which does anything to help the shamman's who read these articles.
Kthxbai. :)
P.S. - You're my hero Matthew Rossi. Shammy/Warr pRiDe!
Sean Jul 5th 2009 2:39PM
Elemental seems pretty screwed in Ulduar. We're gonna end up being forced to wear a bunch of mp5 gear just to upgrade, or not upgrade at all. 3.2 can't come fast enough. Elemental can just get Emblem of Conquest gear and move on.
sccorp.sc Jul 5th 2009 4:19PM
I completely agree. Elemental shammy in Ulduar, (in my guild atleast), is becoming more and more unpopular. Let's hope it doesn't go the way of the elusive 2-hander shamman. Not feasible dps-wise anymore, and anyone you see spec'ing towards it you're definitely not inviting to your raids.
leo.e.coyle Jul 6th 2009 11:08AM
True, we have less non-set itemization than would be ideal, but we're not screwed at all. Good ele shamans are consistently in the top 5 on dps and on fights like general are in a position to be on top and never have to step foot in a green puddle. Without the plethora of non-set drops you just have to really know what's an upgrade and what isn't (god bless the EJ SEIC spreadsheet). If the lack of raining gear makes the bad ele shaman leave the spec so be it.
Mapenga / H-Draka
TTFK Jul 5th 2009 4:25PM
Elemental is more than screwed.
I guess they want people to use the resto gear now. Yeah. That makes sense.
Squeek Jul 5th 2009 6:31PM
As Elemental, I was eagerly watching the PTR and the dumps from the 3.1 game data, hoping to compile a list of where all my new drops from.
Needless to say, the list took me two minutes to compile, and one trip into Ulduar 25 got me all one item I could use.
It's pretty depressing when you think about it. Outside of Tier gear, we have pretty much no choice but to use all of the Naxx25 loot we've been using forever all the way into Tier 9 raids. For me, that includes weapons too. Our 10-man runs have gotten Yogg down, but very few Hard modes and I doubt we can drop Vezax's in time to even attempt for Aesuga. We don't have enough people for 25 so we do co-guild runs, but these are less-than-ideal and would probably never make it to Yogg, let along kill him. So no Soulscribe. Not that I'd win it anyway, since every caster worth their salt is going to roll on it, including the ones who can just use swords.
What does that mean? It means either I start picking up Cloth or I just sit ~200-300 SP lower than every other spellcaster in my guild and hope they don't screw us over again in 3.2 (though I have every belief that they will, since this is hardly the first time Elemental has been screwed over). Our clothies aren't done gearing up and 90% of the cloth drops have Spirit (ugh) so this probably isn't going to happen before 3.2 is out.
In unrelated news, it's nice to not be hit-starved anymore. From a very early point in Ulduar raiding, I got to drop all of my Hit gems in favor of pure SP gemming. Now it's gotten to the point where I'm able to drop a Hit ring (Sig. of Malev) for a higher DPS ring and a Hit trinket (Dying Curse) for a pure DPS trinket, even while gearing toward the Horde no-SP/Boomkin hit cap of 368. It looks like Tier 9 will continue this trend, so I'm actually hoping for the first time to be able to just stack SP trinkets.
Zach Jul 6th 2009 1:54AM
I feel your pain. At this point I'd roll on just about anything to replace my trusty ol' Wraith Strike, but my guild has shit-for-luck when it comes to caster weapons. Take Guiding Star for example. Out of the countless times we've downed 25-Razorscale, do you know how many times we've seen it drop? Once, and it went to one of our Resto druids. I would like Soulscribe but, you know... every class that benefits more from stats that are useless to us (spirit and mp5) will roll on it anyway.
I hate caster weapon drop rates, I hate caster trinket drop rates, and I hate the fact that the two stats that adorn the VAST majority of mail / rings / weapons (mp5 / spirit / both) are useless to us. Oh, and one more thing:
I HATE VANQUISHER TOKENS! Seriously...it's not even close to being funny how often these drop. 40% chance my ass.
Correlation Jul 6th 2009 1:32AM
I'm really starting to think about rolling on Cloth gear for my elemental shaman now, seeing as the stats can outweigh the armor reduction. I mean, we are ranged spell casters, so the extra armor points in wearing mail really doesn't do much except delay our death by three hits? And usually the AoE damage from bosses and trash mobs are of the spell variety, so our armor reduction is not really relevant.
The only thing I can find us elemental shamans rolling on in Ulduar asides from the gloves are the rings.
I'm praying that the loot from the Coliseum when it goes live in 3.2 drops some nice elemental gear for us, because by the looks of it, we're not getting much from Ulduar.
Naix Jul 6th 2009 9:08AM
Shamans are so powerful. If only every class had a chance to be this strong.
Hamakal Jul 9th 2009 5:17AM
Some comments about elemental shaman here are stupid. There might be less gear for us in Uldar, but if you are not in top 5 dps in your guild you must be doing something very wrong. I'm still a bit less geared that some of my guildies but in fights only best mages and hunters can keep with me. Ele shamy is currently a lot of fun to play, if you know what you are doing.
Michael White Jul 9th 2009 11:06AM
It is no surprise to me that elemental shamans get low gear drops in Ulduar. Throughout the years elementals have had lower drops. Even lower than "Shocker" healing plate. I always took the point of view, if elemental gear drops the elemental is the only one that can use it so it would be a lower amount than say mail with attack power. But lets go back to healing plate, or lets say a few other pieces I can think of. Seem they would have low drops too. Na, Holy plate drops like snow on a winter morning for us in Ulduar.
Maybe, just maybe elemental shamans will get some love one day. I figure patch 41.11.b.04 LOL
Still love my elemental shaman the most and love the uphill battle. If I wanted it easy I would face roll a different class. LOL