Guildwatch: Dodge this

Sorry for the low resolution on the pic above, but we thought it was still funny enough to share -- the guildleader of the guild (unfortunately, we weren't told the name or server) was a little unhappy when one of the raiders decided to leave a "whipefest" on General Vezax, and he decided to pull off a WoWBash-style /gkick.
Lots more drama, downed, and recruiting news in our weekly Guildwatch column, which starts right after the break below. Have a tip for us? Send it along to guildwatch@wow.com, and you might see it right here next time.
Lots more drama, downed, and recruiting news in our weekly Guildwatch column, which starts right after the break below. Have a tip for us? Send it along to guildwatch@wow.com, and you might see it right here next time.
DRAMA
- Joelol got made GM of Strangulation Point on EU Ghostlands recently, and he did what any other punk kid, when given full access to a guild's leadership, would probably do: he up and ninja'd the guild's bank, taking everything in it for himself. We agree with the guy in this thread: even if you happen to be leaving your guild, you should probably never leave power in the hands of anyone with "lol" in their name, or you're asking for trouble. But there is a happy ending: apparently Joe's account is paid for by his brother, who later shows up in the thread, apologizes, and says that unless Joelol finds someone else to pay for his account, he'll probably be offline and out of Azeroth very soon.
- Grats Virtus Mortalis on Kilrogg for finishing off Flame Leviath... oh wait, what? You exploited it? Check out Leorina's backpedaling -- he flies backwards faster than a hummingbird going the wrong way. Despite the fact that the guild posted about it on not one but two threads, as soon as they're discovered, they yell out "our bad," and say it's fine if Blizzard just wants to take away the achievement and the loot. Never mind that, whoops, they did it on 10-man and then went and did it on 25-man, too. At the very least, they should get an Exodus-style suspension, no?
- Here's a similar story from Aegwynn: Continuum does the FL exploit in 10-man and gets caught for it. Whoops -- our bad. But that doesn't stop them from doing it again two weeks later. Classy. They did eventually get a suspension -- the Blizzard message is over on this website.
- The guild bank of Zenith of Exodar was recently raided by the Rogue "Dpen." We're told he made off with 49 abyss crystals, among other valuables including Frozen Orbs, high level gems, and several other crafting materials. Dpen is also known as Dpencil (a 66 Paladin), and said his reason for leaving was "not being able to raid." Except we're told he did raid with them: we hear he was one of the only people in the guild to get gear from the early Ulduar runs. Our question: why did he have access to the guild bank?
- This thread is really just about an average VoA ninja (and there are tons of those to go around), but it's like a Russian doll of drama -- not only does it open up to reveal this thread (which then leads on to this funny "discussion" about Deterrence), but on the second page, things get good -- people start both defending Loosenup while simultaneously bringing up more horror stories of the character, including him giving away gear to people that clearly didn't deserve it. By page 5, Loosenup is apologizing, but there's a lot of nice drama in between.
- This recruiting thread for Grief on Whisperwind devolves super fast, especially when accusations of previous ninja'ing on OS25 shows up. But Janefonda takes it to a Jerry Springer level when she starts talking about her "boob card." Also, points to Aybebe for trying to play off his nonsense as "roleplay[ing] a bad guy on the server." Especially since a) it's not a roleplaying server, and b) ninja'ing gear is grounds for a suspension, not roleplay material, buddy.
- Sure, you've been downing bosses, but Ascension on Whisperwind has been picking up loot of a different kind: apparently they've had 12 kids born into the guild just since the beginning of the Burning Crusade. In eight or nine years, they'll have a whole extra raid group to play with! Grats to all the parents and babies there. And somehow, they've found time outside of all the baby-having to roll right up into Ulduar and drop bosses there, too.
- A player named Evoroth and his buddies (including the person who seems to be his girlfriend, Xhexed) all joined a guild called Redemption and went to go raid Naxx with them. But after raiding 10-man for a few days and then getting all set and buffed up for 25-man, they ditched the guild completely and went off to join Khaos. I'll let you decide what the real story is here -- Evoroth and his friends all say that Redemption couldn't play, and that's why they left, but then again, they didn't exactly leave in a very cordial way. Signing up and buffing up and then ditching for another guild immediately is kind of a lame move. Still, we'll let you decide -- Evoroth and Xhexed do plenty of talking for themselves in the thread. But yes, we agree: "Thread is delivering," and yes, it has found its way right here into Guildwatch.
- Crucial on Exodar has downed every 10-man boss in Ulduar up to Yoggy. They're starting up 25-man raids now, and accepting applications as well. Here's their Thorim kill, if you want to check it out.
- Dirty Little Secret of Nazgrel is a smaller guild currently running 10-man content. They recently downed the Eye of Eternity in 10-man mode, and in Ulduar 10, have finished off Flame Leviathan, Razorscale, Ignis, XT-002, Iron Council, Kologarn, and Auriaya.
- Storm Callers of Sen'Jin recently downed Thaddius and Sapphiron on Heroic for the first time as a guild. Many raiders already had the achievements, but with some help from old friends, they all got it together again. They're back in 25-man after a brief hiatus, and recruiting, training, and gearing a number of new raiders.
- Cynosure of Altar of Storms-H has cleared Yogg Saron 25. They're now looking for several DPS and healers to fill out the roster for hard modes.
- Leviathan of EU Azjol-Nerub finally wiped the floor with Mimiron on 10-man (Vezax is going down next time) and made their first foray into 25-man, clearing Flame, Razor, XT, Assembly and Kologarn. Future 25-man runs, however, will need some more raiders, so if you want to volunteer, look them up.
- RRT on Tichondrius-H (who've been waiting a while to appear in this column, sorry) recently completed their first full clear of Naxxramas 10 as a guild. They are a casual guild with a 10-man core that plans to progress through more 10-man content. Naxx is on farm, and we'll put Sarth on notice -- he's cake if you've finished off Naxx.
- Knights Templar on Boulderfist is at it again with the progression -- two 10-man teams have cleared up to Vezax, and their 25-man has gotten up to Assembly of Iron. Way to go!
- Shout out to Damage Inc on Warsong, who recently downed FL through Kologarn in 25-man Ulduar. They're also looking to recruit a Resto Shaman or a Holy Priest for 25-mans as well.
- Tears Of the Dragon is a very casual leveling/raiding guild on Ravenholdt that cleared out all of Naxx on their first full go-round. They had a few issues with Thaddius, but after a few wipes got him down. Then one-shotted Sapphiron, then Kel'thuzad got shown the door after a few wipes as well. Malygos is now on notice.
- Dragonvein of Borean Tundra downed Kel'thuzad this week, thus completing 10-man Naxx. Special woots to the guildleader and the main tank -- grats all!
- Tide of War on Thunderlord has now defeated all of the bosses in 10-man Ulduar, including one epic six hour clear. They're 10-man only, but they're still four bosses away from a realm-first "Champion of Ulduar" achievement. Who needs 25-mans anyway?
- S Y N E R G Y on Eitrigg downed General in 25-man, and have Yoggy himself on notice, if not dead quite yet.
- Uprising on Doomhammer finally downed Thorim and then downed Mimiron (on their first attempt) all in one night. We're told it was a great night for progression and the night before server restarts to boot!
- Hollywood on Cho'gall-A went 12/14 in Ulduar 10-man a while ago, and then got The Undying in 10-man Naxx. They're also looking for folks to fill out the 25-man ranks.
- Codex of Drenden, a relatively small guild that combined with a few key members of Aces of Drenden, has finally ducked into raiding, and have now downed Kel'Thuzad in 10-man Naxx. They hope to finish off Naxx (so KT is on notice), and maybe head into EoE next.
- C H A O S on EU Lightning's Blade has downed OS10 with just 8 people, for the achievement. Not bad, they say, for a guild that rose from the ashes of a serious hardcore raiding guild. Naxx 10 is mostly cleared, and they're looking for DPS and tanks for 25-mans next.
- Pride of St George on EU Nordrassil had a great evening in Ulduar 10 the other night. They attempted Razorscale, XT-002 and Kologarn for the first time and downed them all. After stalling on Iron Council, they went back and finished the evening by showing that Ignis is getting closer to farm status. Grats! They're also open to all classes, raiders or otherwise.
- Over Raided on Khadgar-A downed Freya 25 for the second time this week, got Mimiron after two attempts, and got Vezax down later on as well. Way to go!
- Prodigy, a casual raiding guild on the Drak'tharon server, has continued progression in Ulduar 10 by downing Auriaya and Ignis so far. Iron Council is on notice, and they're recruiting all classes, particularly Mages and Druids.
- The Red Shadows (Llane-A) finished their first clear of Naxx a few weeks ago, and then a little while later downed Razorscale in Ulduar! Big news, we hear, for this small friends and family guild. And apparently they did all the fights without reading up on boss strategies: "Raiding blind for the win!" they say.
- Radix Lecti is a 'casual-but-serious' 10-man raiding guild Horde-side on EU Kazzak that raids to progress once a week on Saturday evenings, with alt/fun raids scattered throughout the week. They're recruiting mature, friendly, Ulduar-ready players to get a second group going and continue progression, and they're currently working on Auriaya and the four Keepers. Every app is considered, no matter your realm, so don't be afraid to head on over and apply!
- Lost Fires on Lightbringer-H is recruiting Rogues, Hunters, Shaman, Priests, Resto/Balance Druids and Warlocks for 10-man raids. Lightbringer is a PST server, but they raid at EST times, two nights a week. Naxx 10 has been cleared out, and they need a few more dedicated raiders to start kicking butt in Ulduar. Friendly and mature people of all skill levels are invited to visit the site and apply.
- The Smoke Pit of Anvilmar-H is a group of semi-casual raiders who are looking to recruit talented and dedicated players of any class and spec. They are currently 10/14 in 10-man and 8/14 on 25-man Ulduar. 10-man raiding is the focus right now, but they are working towards building a solid 25-man team.
- Exodus (Bonechewer-A, so no, not that other Exodus) is recruiting for Ulduar content. They've cleared out all of 10-man, and are at Yogg-Saron in 25. Please be pro, prepared, and civil at all times.
- Cataclysmic on Shadow Council-H is currently in need of some healers, and is actively recruiting Resto Druids and Priests, but they're open to any and all applications if you're worth it. They're 9/14 in Ulduar so far, and are looking for some more to continue progression and maybe break out to a second 10-man group.
- The Keepers of the Realm on Scarlet Crusade-A is recruiting for raiding into Heroic Naxxramas and Heroic Ulduar on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday evenings. They are looking for decently active members of any class who are as eager and willing to attend and push forward in battle within the raids as the current core members are. However, please also be fun-loving and courteous towards others.
- Shinigami on Shadowsong-A is currently recruiting for Naxx 10/25 man. They are mainly focused on raiding and progression. EoE and Ulduar/Ulduar hard modes are on the horizon if they get enough folks, which is why they are now accepting all classes. If you have a great and positive attitude and are not a guild hopper, they want you.
- Envious Dark on EU Kilrogg-H is primarily a 10-man guild due to losing a lot of members, but they're still 11/14 in Ulduar and looking to get a first full clear in the coming weeks. They're seeking tanks and healers, although they definitely won't say no to a bit more DPS.
- Masters of Shadows on Aggramar-A is a friendly and fun guild that has fun raiding usually, but recently hit a bump in the road and would like to get over it. So they're looking to fill ranks and get back into running regular raid times. They're aiming for four nights a week, 7pm server. Check the site if interested.
- Twisted Nerve is a BT/Sunwell re-roll guild (server?) recruiting ranged DPS and healers for casual 10-man raiding. They raid three nights a week from 9-12pm server, so if you want to see some old content, they've got your ticket.
- Overwatch of Sisters of Elune are trying to build a different kind of guild. They're aiming to make a community that is both structured and relaxed, so that any type of player can feel welcome and active. They're seeking all classes, levels, and experiences to join the ranks. They will be raiding 10-mans for sure, and will go to other teams as member strength allows. Hit them up ingame or on the website for more.
Filed under: Analysis / Opinion, Guilds, Humor, Guildwatch, Bosses






Reader Comments (Page 1 of 3)
TheChao Jul 8th 2009 2:05PM
That's... AWESOME
TheChao Jul 8th 2009 2:06PM
The pic I mean
Pandalicious Jul 8th 2009 9:18PM
"How much dodge do you have?"
Epic.
benevan Jul 9th 2009 10:08AM
evoroth is a guildhopper in the time i knew him in about 2 months he jumped 3-4 guilds also taking a few items from the guild bank in 1 of my guild before help left.
Blasterion Jul 8th 2009 2:05PM
LOL @ the kick
Todd Jul 8th 2009 2:09PM
Lovely Matrix reference.
Naku Jul 8th 2009 2:09PM
This is far the best guildwatch ive ever seen :)))
rynthil Jul 8th 2009 2:18PM
I find this a really sad example of the current state of WoW. I've been playing since 2005, and the games immaturity and overall juvenile mentality of players has been increasing at an exponential rate.
To see this excerpt of raid chat held up as an example of humorous goes far to explain things!
I blame the raid leader here! WoW is a GAME. I will not be belittled in a game myself, and would've left the raid too. Fine, so the GM has the right to kick the player. But to do so in a further belittling manner?! And then you folks put it on the front page as an example of "awesomeness"??? How old are you Mike Schramm?
Talking about the idea for leveling servers? How about "mature" servers? So players who have grown beyond the imbecile level can get on with the game and have, FUN!
Billy Jul 8th 2009 2:28PM
The unedited and longer picture on wowbash (that is linked in the post) shows that the user gets kicked and then added back to the guild a minute later. So I think it was just a joke?? Caption on wowbash also says
"I was questing on my hunter alt and one of the other officers were bored. Poor guy was an app too."
Liltimmy Jul 8th 2009 2:39PM
@Billy
Pretty sure the screenshot linked to is a different occurrence; the author was just comparing this screenshot to that one.
epicboyz Jul 8th 2009 2:42PM
Oh god, how i wish there was a 25 and up server for those of us that dont want to put up with all the kiddy crap!
Clevins Jul 8th 2009 2:45PM
Nope, sorry. A guildie who bailed on the middle of a raid deep in
Ulduar because they were dying deserves the kick. Raiding involves
dying as you learn - don't raid if that bothers you. Leaving people
in a lurch is the juvenile part. Excusing *that* is the wrong thing
to do. I probably wouldn't gkick him, but he'd sit for a while.
Maerec Jul 8th 2009 6:44PM
@rynthil
Playing since 2005 huh? Have you done much raiding? Wiping is part of the raiding. If you're not willing to wipe then don't get in a raid. The best of the best raiders wipe a lot.
The guy that dropped from the raid because it was a "wipefest" is obviously not the kind of player a raiding guild wants. That doesn't mean what the Raid Leader did was right but he was still justified. I would have handled it different but to each his own.
Dropping from a raid because you don't want to wipe anymore will get you blacklisted faster than anything else. (Almost as bad as being a ninja.)
Asking Schramm about his age makes you look like an ass. The way the Raid Leader dropped his guild mate was funny. The fact that he didn't handle it well, is not. I think you need to step back from wow and loosen up a bit. :)
Jeriel Jul 8th 2009 2:55PM
I don't see the problem here. The 2 in the screenshot seem to be at about the same level of maturity.
I also hope I never lose the ability to appreciate such epic burns.
And maturity is not a number. A person in their 30s can still be a dick. I wouldn't exclude young people just because of their age, this is where the social part of the game comes into play.
Billy Jul 8th 2009 3:06PM
@LilTimmy
Now that I look at it again, I must have been blind to think that it was the same pic. I pretty much just looked at the "Karate" and "Dodge This!". And for some reason got it in my head that the link to WowBash was a link to the source :D
Thanks for the clarification lol
Rob Jul 8th 2009 7:44PM
There are actually a surprising amount of adults that still play. I think this population is slowly going extinct as the game gets easier and easier. Regardless, I am the GL of Doctors of Philosophy on US-Dawnbringer, and we are always looking for good adult guildies. I honestly think we got one of the best guilds on the server as far as the quality/maturity of the player goes. We dont' raid ulduar but we still have a good time every night.
My advice is just to find a strict 18+ or 21+ guild or form one yourself. They do exist.
SarahTheGnome Jul 9th 2009 5:42AM
I am in an 18+ guild also, but I do think this is funny. When you raid, you have to take into account 9 or 24 people. Just leaving the raid because you are wiping is EXTREMELY selfish and immature. To then use the excuse 'it's a game, I can do whatever I want, I play for MY fun' is less mature than the way this guy was kicked. So I do not find your comment one of reason or maturity rynthil. If you want FUN and zero accountability, then don't play MMO's, very simple.
Aedilhild Jul 9th 2009 10:20AM
I agree with you, Rynthil.
Why would a guild induct and retain the membership of an unreliable player in the first place? What would motivate a raid leader (and guild officer) to expel a guild member in such an abrupt, derisive way? Immaturity. Responding comments characterize the exchange as mutual -- but while returning puerility for puerility may encourage obedience, it encourages neither loyalty nor courtesy.
Two days ago, one player in a 25-man VoA pickup group decided that DPS was to blame (it wasn't). He singled out three players, asked them if they were DPS, and then insulted them. The raid leader responded with three tells: he wouldn't tolerate that kind of behavior, one of those insulted was a friend and two strangers had already shown themselves to be knowledgeable and polite, and that he was sorry for having to kick the obnoxious player. That's leadership. That's class.
Rynthil argues that World of Warcraft is not so important that it justifies treating people badly, and that's correct.
Darkthunder Jul 8th 2009 2:45PM
Nice to finally see some guild drama from my own server, in this article :)
I'm referring to the guildbank ninja, known as Joelol. I had alot of trust in the former GM (Ransack), before he decided to step down and give GM responsibilities to Joelol. The result of which being that Joelol ninjaed the entire guild bank, and then disbanded the guild.
Some people say that "Well he's a GM, and can do whatever he wants with the guild bank". Imho, I say that's wrong since the contents belong to the GUILD, and not specifically to any one individual. What Joelol did was 100% wrong, and i'm glad he was punished for it. His brother pays for his subscription, and has refused to help him renew it. A ban from a sibling, is so much more gratifying than any ban that Blizzard might've given him.
Belial Jul 8th 2009 3:06PM
I wondered how long it would take for Loosenup's Asshattery to make it to the pages of Guildwatch.