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7-08-2009 @ 2:18PM
I find this a really sad example of the current state of WoW. I've been playing since 2005, and the games immaturity and overall juvenile mentality of players has been increasing at an exponential rate.To see this excerpt of raid chat held up as an example of humorous goes far to explain things!I blame the raid leader here! WoW is a GAME. I will not be belittled in a game myself, and would've left the raid too. Fine, so the GM has the right to kick the player. But to do so in a further belittling manner?! And then you folks put it on the front page as an example of "awesomeness"??? How old are you Mike Schramm?Talking about the idea for leveling servers? How about "mature" servers? So players who have grown beyond the imbecile level can get on with the game and have, FUN!
7-08-2009 @ 2:28PM
The unedited and longer picture on wowbash (that is linked in the post) shows that the user gets kicked and then added back to the guild a minute later. So I think it was just a joke?? Caption on wowbash also says "I was questing on my hunter alt and one of the other officers were bored. Poor guy was an app too."
7-08-2009 @ 2:39PM
@BillyPretty sure the screenshot linked to is a different occurrence; the author was just comparing this screenshot to that one.
7-08-2009 @ 2:42PM
Oh god, how i wish there was a 25 and up server for those of us that dont want to put up with all the kiddy crap!
7-08-2009 @ 2:45PM
Nope, sorry. A guildie who bailed on the middle of a raid deep inUlduar because they were dying deserves the kick. Raiding involvesdying as you learn - don't raid if that bothers you. Leaving peoplein a lurch is the juvenile part. Excusing *that* is the wrong thingto do. I probably wouldn't gkick him, but he'd sit for a while.
7-08-2009 @ 6:44PM
@rynthilPlaying since 2005 huh? Have you done much raiding? Wiping is part of the raiding. If you're not willing to wipe then don't get in a raid. The best of the best raiders wipe a lot. The guy that dropped from the raid because it was a "wipefest" is obviously not the kind of player a raiding guild wants. That doesn't mean what the Raid Leader did was right but he was still justified. I would have handled it different but to each his own.Dropping from a raid because you don't want to wipe anymore will get you blacklisted faster than anything else. (Almost as bad as being a ninja.) Asking Schramm about his age makes you look like an ass. The way the Raid Leader dropped his guild mate was funny. The fact that he didn't handle it well, is not. I think you need to step back from wow and loosen up a bit. :)
7-08-2009 @ 2:55PM
I don't see the problem here. The 2 in the screenshot seem to be at about the same level of maturity.I also hope I never lose the ability to appreciate such epic burns.And maturity is not a number. A person in their 30s can still be a dick. I wouldn't exclude young people just because of their age, this is where the social part of the game comes into play.
7-08-2009 @ 3:06PM
@LilTimmyNow that I look at it again, I must have been blind to think that it was the same pic. I pretty much just looked at the "Karate" and "Dodge This!". And for some reason got it in my head that the link to WowBash was a link to the source :DThanks for the clarification lol
7-08-2009 @ 7:44PM
There are actually a surprising amount of adults that still play. I think this population is slowly going extinct as the game gets easier and easier. Regardless, I am the GL of Doctors of Philosophy on US-Dawnbringer, and we are always looking for good adult guildies. I honestly think we got one of the best guilds on the server as far as the quality/maturity of the player goes. We dont' raid ulduar but we still have a good time every night. My advice is just to find a strict 18+ or 21+ guild or form one yourself. They do exist.
7-09-2009 @ 5:42AM
I am in an 18+ guild also, but I do think this is funny. When you raid, you have to take into account 9 or 24 people. Just leaving the raid because you are wiping is EXTREMELY selfish and immature. To then use the excuse 'it's a game, I can do whatever I want, I play for MY fun' is less mature than the way this guy was kicked. So I do not find your comment one of reason or maturity rynthil. If you want FUN and zero accountability, then don't play MMO's, very simple.
7-09-2009 @ 10:20AM
I agree with you, Rynthil. Why would a guild induct and retain the membership of an unreliable player in the first place? What would motivate a raid leader (and guild officer) to expel a guild member in such an abrupt, derisive way? Immaturity. Responding comments characterize the exchange as mutual -- but while returning puerility for puerility may encourage obedience, it encourages neither loyalty nor courtesy.Two days ago, one player in a 25-man VoA pickup group decided that DPS was to blame (it wasn't). He singled out three players, asked them if they were DPS, and then insulted them. The raid leader responded with three tells: he wouldn't tolerate that kind of behavior, one of those insulted was a friend and two strangers had already shown themselves to be knowledgeable and polite, and that he was sorry for having to kick the obnoxious player. That's leadership. That's class.Rynthil argues that World of Warcraft is not so important that it justifies treating people badly, and that's correct.
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