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7-17-2009 @ 5:37AM
Strange to read your comments.I play a druid. I have MT all Ulduar 10 and 25 bosses.We have a warrior tank, myself as druid. We also have a DK.So in Raid we have almost every tank available (we don't see the paladin tank that much)When we started doing Ulduar, I was the tank of choice. Not because I would be better for fights but because with Naxx25 stuff, I was able to be kept alive, where the warrior tank could not because either he would require too much healer mana, or die so fast the healers could not compensate. Now, with stuff having come to me (I got all T8 pieces) and the warrior, the warrior can handle every boss in 10 and 25 modes. But a difference remains: the Hard Modes. While the warrior is able to tank in 10-HM, in 25-HM I am often used. For fights like Vezax but it's not really because the warrior would not handle it : it's because interrupts are required. As a druid, I can interrupt once per minute, no more. So the warrior, that would like to tank Vezax, is used in combination with a Thief to do the interrupts on the boss... So the warrior is not tanking Vezax-25 or in Hard Modes because.. of my lack of interrupt, and because you can only have so many tanks in a Roster for a raid, the warrior gets the interrupt role. And I know he would like to tank Vezax too...On some Hard Modes, the warrior has trouble. And I don't know if it's really because I can take it he can't. In fact, I believe it to be false. I believe that my healers have spent too much time with me, a druid, as MT when gearing up the raid, and they are used to how I take damage : I avoid a LOT of hits, and I take one, sometimes two bigs hits they have to heal. The warrior takes much more its, and it's really spikey: small, big, small, big, big... so it's more stressful.When I check our values, they're quite close. The DK has more hit points than I do. I got about 47K almost 48K full buff, and the warrior too. I got around 30K armor, and my total avoidance is smaller than the warrior's one (I only got dodge, the druid shield only blocks about 1.8K, but I have a 90 to 99 % proc rate because of my lacerate crits so each time the druid shield can be up, I have over 90 % probability it will be).Since I am almost full Ulduar-25 geared, I have removed some agility to beef up stamina, and I also increased hit rating and expertise (none of my hits can be dodge, and I got around 0.1 % mitigate).But I do think the warrior can tank anything I can tank. It's just that it's easier for healers. Last time we did Vezax 25 (in normal mode) I was not even kitting around while the boss did enrage. I just aggro the boss, and tank/spank the boss until he dies. I _never_ move. I take the enrages of the boss and the healer was saying that for the last 30 seconds, and the full duration of the enrage, I did not take even a single hit (I used the +30 % life and the Heart of Iron) and that he was going to AFK to do a coffee while the enrage was going on. The warrior would have been able to tank the boss, without kitting, and taking the enrage, but the healers would have been under more stress. And I think that because of the difference in warrior/druid mechanics, it's less stress when it's a druid than a warrior.Because most of you play warriors, you think Blizzard is not really concerned or taking good care of the warrior as tank. But the grass is always greener at the neighbour's. I do think the warrior is a very interesting tank. So much that I have started levelling a warrior as tank that I intend to use as main character once 80 and properly geared rather than my druid. The druid has a lot of problems but I know them because I've been playing it for years and I still got the BC and Sunwell nerf bat scars all over. I remember spending 3 sometimes 4 hours in Shattrah looking for a group and no one would accept to use me, a Druid tank, for any heroic. I saw people look for tanks for hours, while I was there with other Druid tanks, and they only wanted warriors tank and nothing else... Sometimes I did connect for a full week, and watched films on the laptop while LFG for heroics in Shattrah. Things have changed now and for the better. But I really think I would like a warrior as main, and tank. And that I would be able to tank anything I tank right now even hard modes where sometimes, I'm prefered as druid.The warrior should be on the top but not too much. Because when this happens, no one will let a DK, or Druid or Paladin tank in raids, except as OT. The warrior would be the ever default tank for any boss in Raids. Before WOTLK that was my daily life in Wow. Always OT. Never MT. Because there was a warrior in the Raid and "I could morph to cat while the warrior as tank has no DPS at all". I do not want to go back to a world where I want to tank, and I'm always OT and never allowed to MT anything just because the warrior would have nothing to do...I almost gave up tanking because the forever OT spot was not what I wanted. And warriors I talked about it did not really care. They have the MT badge and would not yield it down for any fight or let me try.Warriors, Druids, DK, Paladins as tanks should be interchangeable. Some would require more heals but smaller ones (warriors) and others would require less heals but bigger ones (druids) so the difference should be on how you heal them but not end up in situatino where boss X is tanked by class Y and only Y while boss Z is tankied by class W and only W. Or a situation like pre-WOTLK where every damn boss would be tanked by the warrior, and then you would distribute OT roles to the other tanks, that spend as much time TheoryCrafting and optimizing their stuff and never allowed to MT anything. No thanks.
7-17-2009 @ 10:28AM
"The warrior should be on the top but not too much."Umm no. No class should be "best tank" in game. Then everyone would only want that tank. So you have to make every tank preform as good as the next. Its the person behind the keyboard that makes the best tank not the class.
7-17-2009 @ 4:34PM
The key is everyone would prefer a dk or a pally tank all other things the same
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