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7-17-2009 @ 9:38AM
I started playing WoW in the end of January thanks to the free trial (great idea!). I took my sweet time leveling, learning all I could about my class (mage), trying almost all specs, creating a few alts (ret pala and dk, heh), trying really hard to be useful in a group. Because of that and real life obligations I just dinged a few weeks ago. It never felt that the game was moving too slow, in fact from levels 1-60 went flying by when I actually played the game and I sometimes felt: "Please slow down, I want to see the content more, some good players are staying behind, etc", even though people leveling their alts were whirring past. The summoning stones which were useful for Northrend instances seemed ridiculously useless, because you couldn't summon someone who was a bit lower or a bit higher for the instance even though it really didn't matter when it came to the instance, finding a group to old instances was pretty difficult, and finishing BRD was nigh impossible. I play a PvP server so ganking was annoying but only a minor nuisance, seems like the gankers depend on the class (pala, dk, rogue).But now when I'm 80, when the game should start, is when every raid requires you having completed it before and you already wear the gear from that raid, no one is really looking beginner DPS-s for guilds because there are an overabundance of them, and when doing heroics you run into a lot of elitism when the tank isn't moving fast enough, or the healer needs a mana break (coming to even that the dps-es start pulling and cause all sorts of chaos). It doesn't matter if you've studied the fights in raids, and know them in theory( I know theory doesn't matter if it gets difficult), you still wont get a raid spot in PuG. At the moment it doesn't really matter if I have a raid spot or not, because I'm still gearing up from heroics (already have hit cap and min reqs to do naxx10 as per wowwiki :P, etc). For now we're trying to start our own guild with a couple of friends and see where it goes from there. But the elitism of old-timers is starting to wear us down. Hopefully if I find some more players that have been helping us out now, I wont care about it.tl;dr: Can you be more friendly to new people, please?
7-17-2009 @ 11:33AM
Agree 100%. I've been purposely sticking to the old-school content until I feel I'm "done" with it. I'm currently level 67 (grr...why didn't "xp off" come sooner???) but haven't stepped foot in Outlands, which essentially keeps me at vanilla levels of DPS for the most part. ;) I'm actually enjoying gathering my Dungeon Set 1 and soon T1 and T2 gear. (By the way...finding groups for dungeons is not as hard as people make it sound.) I plan to do the Scepter of the Shifting Sands questline just for fun. It's how I enjoy playing. As I move on, I'll do the same kind of "full-clear" in Outlands, and then Northrend, and then...Maelstrom?But yeah...some of the attitude from the level 80s gets really irritating. "That content is OLD. Why would you ever want to run LBRS? What are you stupid? You can get better gear in the Outlands starting quests!"One guy spent a good 5 minutes arguing with me the other day because he felt I should only be concerned with leveling straight to 80 as quickly as possible. No matter what I said, he had some kind of idiotic retort. "I want to experience all the dungeons. I like doing them.""So come back at level 80 and solo them," he says. /facepalm
7-17-2009 @ 11:48AM
I agree that people can and should be nicer to new players. Everyone was a new player at one point. However, I also agree with those that get annoyed at new players trying to skip content. You should generally try to at least have the gear necessary to be there. Does that mean you can never get into a pug Naxx? No. It just means you should visit some heroics first and get your iLevel 200 blues/purples from there first. Naxx 10 was designed for people in this gear. If someone kicks you out of Naxx 10 or makes fun of you in Naxx 10 for wearing heroic blues...then they are being a jerk and need to come down from their high horse. However, going into Naxx 25/UD 10 with quest blues/greens etc is something you should not be doing and forcing the rest of the group to carry you.
7-17-2009 @ 12:50PM
The funniest/saddest thing I've seen in game is maxlevel players. They're in a rush to get to max level, when they get there they call everyone else noobs despite having no clue about 1/2 the game, and then sit and complain about how bored they are cause there's nothing to do. @impurezero Our whole guild is right where you are. We just downed Onyxia for the first time last month, and we're holding at mid 60s for the xp toggle before we start Outlands and continue working on Azereoth raids. We paid for the content, by the Light we're gonna get the full tour! So anyone interested in an xp-capped mid 60s content oriented guild, we're HMS Dawntreader on Silvermoon-A.
7-17-2009 @ 1:15PM
@ sax: the problem is that far too many times, new players like Bunneh who DO take the time to gear themselves, get hitcapped, gem and enchant properly, etc. be denied spots in pugs because they did not have the achievements already. I'm not new to the game by any means, but I rerolled Horde back in February, and I'm having the same problem, despite having cleared the entry level Wrath raids on my old Alliance main. When I finally got geared enough to get in on my guild's alt runs, it broke apart and disbanded because of Ulduar. Now, I can pull better DPS on my lock than some people in T7 despite still being stuck in a handful of dungeon blues, I'm just shy of hitcapped, and I can't beg borrow or steal a Naxx pug spot. It's especially mindboggling considering the demand for clothies and ranged dps in general (it's not like I'm trying to find a spot for a DK).If this isn't a problem on your server, that's wonderful, but I've seen it happening way too often on mine for me to think it's an isolated thing. It's fully appropriate to armory someone and see they're a DK with +spellpower plate then deny them, but when someone is decently geared, just because they're missing achievements? Especially considering achievements don't mean a damn thing other than you were present when a boss was downed, it doesn't say you failed at the Safety Dance every time or that you couldn't keep your tuckus out of the fire and were dead the whole time. On my server, a good 80% of the pug leaders who demand everything but a blood and urine sample for, like, Naxx or VoA don't fit their own criteria if you armory them, and are obviously wanting to be carried to free purpz by better players. It's kind of hilarious.My advice to thwarted newbies is to try and get in on alt runs, or find a guild who holds them. I'm hoping to get lucky in my new guild on a different server.
7-17-2009 @ 2:58PM
Find a good guild. Most of the PUGs want to run through the instances, so yeah, they want people who've done it before and usually who have the gear. They're looking to clear all of Naxx in one night, not split it over 2-3 nights which a newer set of folks might do. The right guild eliminates this stuff. My guild runs 10 man raids. We're about 2/3 of the way through Ulduar, but we have people like yourself who are newer to the game or dinged 80 later for some reason - so we have a Naxx-10 run that helps people figure out raiding (you can read all you want, but doing the fight is different) and to get gear. TLDR: A good mid-tier raiding guild sounds like what you're looking for. It might take some hunting but it's VERY much worth it if you want to instance or raid.
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