Guildwatch: They should ninja a dictionary

Blizzard's "new" approach to the endgame is nowhere more apparent than right here in Guildwatch: final endgame bosses use to only be the domain of world firsts and sponsored guilds, but one look through our Downed section this week shows that even casual guilds can now roll all the way up to Yogg-Saron and take him out. Sure, Algalon, that "destroyer of raids," is still no pushover. But the endgame is definitely much more accessible than before.
That downed news can be found after the link below, along with all of the drama and raiding news we've received lately from around the realms. Click on to read this week's Guildwatch, and feel free to send us your tips at guildwatch@wow.com -- you might see them right here next week.
That downed news can be found after the link below, along with all of the drama and raiding news we've received lately from around the realms. Click on to read this week's Guildwatch, and feel free to send us your tips at guildwatch@wow.com -- you might see them right here next week.
DRAMA
- Congrats to Coven of the Harbinger on Shadowsong-H -- they celebrated their four year anniversary at the end of last month. Almost as old as the game, way to stick together.
- This thread, originally about Continuum on Aegwynn exploiting something in Ulduar, is really a dead horse, but it's worth a read just to see all of the weaseling people try to do to justify exploits. An exploit is an exploit -- if you're not playing by the rules intended by the developers, then you're breaking them. You can try to justify it all you want (and some people do with hilarious results, hence the link here in GW to that thread), but you won't. It's a no.
- The forum thread on this one is lost to us, but the story's still good: apparently Assertive Discipline, one of the raiding guilds on Terenas-H, has a habit of letting people they like in PuGs know that "if you ever need a new guild, look us up." Pretty tame, but Nerfed at Birth, another guild on the server, decided to take exception to it, and flipped out. Laskey, the GM of NaB, had a conversation with an officer from AD, and, we're told "behaved like an utter [jerk]" (we've adjusted the language there, but the original was spicier), including telling AD, a guild that is way more highly rated than NaB on WoW Progress, to "l2 raid." If you think AD's recruiting methods are a little strong, that's fine -- I'm sure if you let them know calmly and seriously, they'd listen. But that's no call to flip out on them and ask them to learn to raid... especially when your guild is nowhere near theirs.
- The Thundering Legion on Garona has a policy of splitting the loot evenly among the folks they PuG with -- unless they come to the conclusion that those folks can't play. Why is it that the ninjas are always the ones with terrible grammar and spelling skills? What is it about stealing things from other players that makes "u" use no punctuation at all?
- Ah, some drama from my old server Thunderhorn: apparently Arkamis laid waste to his guild Reset there, kicking out many of the members. The first reason we hear is that they didn't want to raid, but later he shows up and says he kicked everyone who wasn't interested in jumping factions with them so that they can merge with Lobster Brood. Later on, we hear that instead, they're transferring off server, and there's more: page 2 brings the revelation that this has all happened before. Our tipster says that Ark has transferred off of Thorn to Alpha on Ysera, and back, quite a few times already. There's nothing wrong with that -- but if you want to join a guild that's probably going to stay in one place, Reset probably isn't it.
- We don't know the full story behind all of this (the relevant threads have unfortunately disappeared), but we had to share this comic, showing why an alt named Hyster has been causing trouble and drama on Runetotem. It's a sneaky plan, we admit, trying to break up Weight Watchers under the influence of Harakas and Reforged.
- This isn't really guild drama -- not yet anyway. But it's pretty impressive: Sarahpaladin ninja'd some gear on Exodar, and since then has been tracked across servers -- from Argent Dawn to Alleria. Now they're even applying to Schadenfreude, a guild over on Alleria. Just goes to show you never know what they're not telling you in those apps.
- Finally, Tough Chickletz on Baelgun is host to a guy who's (used to be?) named Lynces -- he jumped in a PuG with Integrity, and... well, we'll let them tell the story on their forums. Basically, they did a /roll, and Lynces won, but it was a tank piece and he's DPS, so they gave it to him. The GMs saw it and gave it back, and drama ensues. We hear the looter from Integrity even created a guild called "TC Rehab Center" as a joke, and after TC complained, he had to change the name away from that.
- Team Mayhem on EU Lightbringer finally cleared 10-man Ulduar all the way to Yoggy, and even picked up some server first achievements on the way. Grats!
- Apotheosis on Garrosh is now 10/14 in Ulduar 10. Recently they downed Flame, Razor, and XT in 25-man and have Kologarn on notice. They're also recruiting for some casual 25-man raiding.
- Broot Force of Thorium Brotherhood downed Flame Leviathan, XT, and Razorscale in Ulduar 10-man with only 9 people their second venture in. They're a tiny guild that usually runs casual, so this is a nice achievement. Kologarn's on notice.
- Remains of Light, a small high end progression guild from Elune, downed General Vezax in 10-man. The target now is Yogg-Saron.
- L E G I O N of Shu'Halo downed Auriaya and Kologarn a little while ago. They are also recruiting quality players to fill out the 10 and 25-man rosters. Priests are emphasized, but all quality players will be considered.
- The Spirit Blade on EU Ravenholdt-A has shut down the Flame Leviathan, as well as grabbed their second OS10 and first VoA 10-man a little while ago. They're also looking for more for 25-mans, especially tanks and healers. They run six days a week with no minimum attendance required.
- For Instance on Velen (winner of this week's Best Guild Name award) has been clearing out 10-man content: Sarth and Flame Leviathan have both fallen to their might. They even beat FL on Heroic with just six people, though that sounds like an exploit to us.
- Bone Brigade on Lightninghoof crushed Sarth 3D on 10-man and picked up their titles for the trouble. They're also recruiting: a Prot Pally, Holy Pally, Resto Druid, and a Warlock to add to the 25-man team to start doing hard modes in Ulduar. If you know what you're doing and have a serious sense of humor, they want you.
- Does it for the Lulz on Zuluhed cleared 8/14 bosses in Ulduar 10 their first week in the instance. They've got Hodir on notice for subsequent weeks, too.
- Special Circumstances of Baelgun ditched their usual weekly raid to rock the Midsummer Fire Festival. Oh, and since they were there, they decided to kill any and all Alliance they came across: by the time they had desecrated all of the flames, half of the Eastern Kingdom had been covered with innkeeper and questgiver blood. Good times?
- Nightwatch on Hellscream cleared three sections of 10-man Naxx a while back: Arachnid, Construct, and Plague. They've a very casual PvE guild that's just gotten into raiding, but they've done well already.
- Seekers of Lore on Gilneas-A has downed Yogg-Saron, clearing out Ulduar on 10-man for them. Grats!
- Team Bloodlust on the Cenarion Circle server took down Yogg on 25-man, then Sarth with 3 drakes right at the end of last month. They even sent a pic or it didn't happen.
- The Frozen Core of Steamwheedle Cartel has downed Yogg 10. Which makes sense, considering that they're strictly a 10-man guild. Congrats!
- Draconian Redemption (server?) downed Yogg-Saron 10-man for the first time last month. They're also recruiting for 25-mans as well.
- Infinity of Nesingwary was formed in early June, but they've already finished off 10-man Yogg Saron. Grats!
- Kung Foo Monkey Badgers in alliance with Watchers on EU Runetotem have cleared out Naxx 25, and are currently 4/14 in Ulduar 10 and looking to step up to 25-man soon.
- Resurrection on Thorium Brotherhood finished 10-man Naxx and will be downing, they say, Malygos shortly.
- Fallen on Nesingwary has dropped all of Ulduar 10, including hard modes. Algalon is on notice, and 25-man is being worked on as well. Grats!
- Pernicious on Lightninghoof downed Flame Leviathan with two towers on 10-man, and have been getting really close on XT-002's hard mode as well. Freya's hard mode is being worked on, and Vezax is on notice. You can do eet!
- Project OMG isn't a guild, per se, but it is a raiding project over on Bronzebeard EU that needs some souls.
- Something Epic, Alliance on Shandris, is recruiting all classes and levels, as long as you have a sense of humor. They prefer 18+ (no angry parents so far, and they like it that way) but will make exceptions. They're aiming to get into raiding, but still need a tank and (non-Pally) healer. They'll help you get gears up with crafted or dropped items, too.
- Clutch of Mug'thol is looking for a few players to fill out their 25-man raids. They've gotten through Ulduar to Freya but have lost a few players to summer vacation. Apply on the website if interested.
- The Honor Guard (on EU Terenas) are a casual raiding guild, and one of the longest established guilds on the server. They have Naxx and EoE on farm, and are recruiting keen raiders for the 25-man team in Ulduar. We have Naxx and EoE on farm and are just starting out in Ulduar. They have a mature international membership and are a great place to enjoy the game.
- Darkfriends of Boulderfist is now recruiting 25-man Ulduar ready raid healers and DPS. They also have 10-man Ulduar raid times if you're into that. Please visit the website for more information and to fill out an application.
- Mortuus Est, a Horde guild on Draenor, is now recruiting. All classes/specs are welcome -- they're a fun, social guild looking to find some success in 10-mans. If you're a mature-minded, quality player, join up.
- Hallowed Moonlight is a social/casual raiding guild on the Moon Guard-A server. They are looking for progression minded people as they attempt to work through Ulduar-10, having downed Auraiya already. Raiding is two nights a week right now, but they're looking to make it four, and go Thursday to Sunday. Interested folks are encouraged to apply at the guild page.
- Sparkle Magic is a GLBT-friendly Horde guild on Proudmoore that's currently 13/14 Ulduar in both 10- and 25-man and responsible for a number of Horde/server firsts. They've knocked out all the 10-man hard modes save Mimiron and Yogg and are recruiting many classes to work on 25-man hard modes. If you're exceptional, 18+, and GLBT-friendly, please visit the website and fill out an app!
- Clan du Claw of Kul Tiras is a casual raiding guild that's currently recruiting for most classes, particularly healers. Although they are not a "server first" guild, they do strive to make each clear as fast, fun, and efficient as possible. They're aiming to beef up the 10-man roster for Ulduar and VoA 25. They raid every weeknight between 7p and 10p Server but they don't enforce attendance requirements. Adults only, please.
- The Pirate Horde on Fenris is recruiting healers and tanks: they don't have to be geared. They are a casual late night raid guild raiding 11pm Eastern time Monday and Friday nights, and they clear Naxx 25 and started 10-man Ulduar three weeks ago on off nights. They're up to Auriaya so far, but still working on Ignis and Iron Council.
- Desecration is a casual raiding guild on Fizzcrank-H that recently cleared Naxx-10 and are working on gearing up members in there. Ulduar is on tap, and they're seeking tanks and healers to rotate into the raiding staff, but all classes are welcome. Emphasis is on casual raiding, as most of the guild has families outside the game. If you're into raiding, PvP, or leveling alts, they're the guild for you.
Filed under: Analysis / Opinion, Fan stuff, Odds and ends, Raiding, Guildwatch, Bosses






Reader Comments (Page 1 of 3)
Pyornthe Jul 22nd 2009 10:12PM
I haven't even downed Kologarn.
Maybe I'm just a loser.
:(
Clydtsdk-Rivendare Jul 22nd 2009 10:21PM
at least you're *in* Ulduar.
All the raids here on Rivendare are too late for me--I haven't even been in a successful NAXX group yet.
Here's hoping my luck changes with the 3.2 gear reset.
Until then... LEVEL ALTS GOGOGO
theman0920 Jul 22nd 2009 10:37PM
YEAH COVEN OF THE HARBRINGER SHADOWSONG HORDE FTW!!!
congrats
-vedord shadowsong-H-
Mort Jul 23rd 2009 8:18AM
@Pyornthe: You're not a looser... Real life success isn't - and never will be- measured in how many purple pixels there are to your characters name. Just find a guild full of people you enjoy hanging out with, and sod how far into Ulduar you get.
@Clydtsdk-Rivendare: I've got a mate with the same problems. Because of his job, he's got to go to bed at 8pm server (and local) time, and get up at 3am. He's almost got a lvl 80 of each class.. D:
Funspray Jul 22nd 2009 10:25PM
I think the toons with the 0/71/0 specs that were linked in Integrity's forums win the award for worst WoW player(s) ever.
Feezee Jul 23rd 2009 2:28AM
There's more:
http://mdawts.wordpress.com/2009/07/07/in-depth-look-at-the-disease/
http://mdawts.wordpress.com/2009/07/04/dks-smart-no-way/
Yada Blah Jul 22nd 2009 10:33PM
And yet somehow, I still feel locked out of endgame.
BM hunter
Feral druid
Enhancement shaman
Go figure. The three class/spec no one really wants or needs anymore.
Mennoknight Jul 22nd 2009 10:52PM
Feral druids are decent in Heroic Raids, and Ehn shamans as well. They buff melee so much that as long as you play competently (read: you don't have to top meters) you'll get a spot. Not to mention Resto shamans are considered "underpowered" so your heroism could be a boon for a guild trying to get off the ground.
Of those three specs, I would say only the BM hunter should struggle finding a raid spot (assuming all of them are geared raid ready)
Charlie Jul 22nd 2009 11:22PM
If you're not working on hard-modes, then you really shouldn't have trouble finding groups. If your GM/RL is that worried about comps for normal mode stuff, especially in 10 man ulduar, then your GM/RL has problems.
(Just to note, comps do matter, but for normal mode, heroism is heroism, if you get my point)
SpearXXI Jul 23rd 2009 2:26AM
I play a feral druid and get respectable numbers whenever I raid, so it's not hard to find a group for me. Even if my dps was decent I still have more of a chance that a good rogue, sometimes due to my MotW, Batle Rez, and Innervate (since i don't need it in feral form), and on the rare occasion i get assigned curse duty (but that is really really rare).
But anyways, it doesn't matter if your class isn't the most desired at the moment. Just keep plugging away at him and make friends, with good puggers, and you will be able to build a good list of people to pug with, for the future. Another tip is to talk to the raid leader and get to know them after the pug, because they will need to pug again in the future, and it is easier for them to pick someone they know instead of a stranger. etc.
Sinthar Jul 23rd 2009 6:29AM
Strange, our feral druid tops dps meters in cat, we have a bear tank too. Any shammy would be nice too. If you have gear, i dont know why you cant get a spot tbh
jam Jul 23rd 2009 6:11AM
Who wouldn't want a feral druid as long as it's in capable hands?
Shardrell Jul 23rd 2009 7:25AM
Our Ulduar 10-person raid has two ferals who main/off-tank or tank/cat. We'd certainly take an enh shammy if we needed more melee and didn't have a resto already, and we don't care what kind of hunter we have as long as they can pull decent numbers. Amazingly enough, we've downed Yogg and have started dropping hardmodes while raiding only twice a week (in pretty much only 10-person gear). Some raids are way too picky about classes/specs for no good reason, when the important thing is really to have a good balance in your group.
That said, you can always dual-spec if you're feeling left out and your local raids need a different spec of your class...
J Jul 22nd 2009 10:36PM
The last bit of drama (involving Tough Chickletz) has me confused.
The Blizz GM took an item from another player and gave it to the ticketer, who claimed their loot had been ninja'd? Since when? I thought the person who received the item was the only one that could get it sent off to someone else.
MazokuRanma Jul 23rd 2009 12:05AM
I have to assume that by GM they mean Guildmaster.
Blizzard doesn't get involved in ninja disputes. The only way to get an item transferred to another person is for the person who wrongly received it to put a ticket in. No one else can put a ticket in for that item.
Phaea Jul 23rd 2009 4:35AM
@MazokuRanma
The original post they linked to claims he submitted a ticket and the GM believed him. I'm inclined to believe they are referring to GameMaster (because who uses the term "submit a ticket" when referring to a GuildMaster?), but I was also under the impression that only the recipient of the item could submit a ticket.
"The Tough Chickletz A-hole opens a GM ticket saying he "won" the roll and I gave it to the wrong guy. The GM believes him and takes it from the tank, who did his job and didn't get stuck in the corner and die, and gives it to the fail-pug dps."
If they did mean Guildmaster, we're looking at three separate guilds: Ninja's guild, Master Looter's guild, and Tank's guild. Ninja's guild would have no power in the matter. I doubt Master Looter's guild would be able to convince Tank to give up the item, or even care about persuading tank. Tank's guild might care, but seeing as they weren't in the run or Master Looting, they really had nothing to do with it.
It also sounds like the item was unwillingly taken from the Tank, which points to Ninja submitting a ticket, But this doesn't make sense, because what reliable GameMaster gets involved in a ninja dispute and just takes the item from the recipient?
L33T15T Jul 23rd 2009 12:43PM
I don't think that Integrity's complain is based upon this Lynce guy getting the gear. Instead, it looks to me like they were angry about Vampiress whispering them.
The main component that's missing are comments from the tank — who apparently was from another guild — as well as that tank's name. Whoever that was doesn't seem to be complaining, and I'm guessing that the G(ame)M(aster) spoke with that person before redistributing the loot. No complaint from tank=No issue. Personally, I don't think the situation makes Integrity or TC look like a guild I'd be interested in. I can understand why the WoW forum thread was deleted.
Lesson: Avoid Pug'ing or, if you must, PuG more recent instances with people you know and have grown to respect after taking them along through older instances. You'd think most people would already know that.
thefool Jul 23rd 2009 3:37PM
The complaint is about Vampressive being an A-Hole. Vampressive is the Guild Master for Tough Chickletz. The only reason Integrity's Guild Master found out about the "ninja", was from the tank that lost the loot because of a Game Master ticket. So here is the order of events:
1. Lynces (Tough Chickletz member) rolls highest, but is DPS.
2. Loot is Master Looted by Integrity's Guild Master to the Tank that rolled the highest because it is tank gear.
3. Vampressive then makes a comment to Integrity's Guild Master that Lynces got the item through a GM ticket.
Even if what Vampressive says didn't happen, it doesn't change the fact that he is a d-bag.
Koinoperatedboy Jul 22nd 2009 10:51PM
Lobster Brood? I thought they died...
guitarchris21 Jul 23rd 2009 4:44AM
The last bit of drama, about TC of Baelgun, that's just a drop in the bucket. We're not quite sure what special relationship the TC GL has with the/a GM, but there's a lot more drama to be found.