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7-23-2009 @ 9:20AM
One quick question (somewhat off topic):With Emblems of Triumph and Conquest going to be so readily available (Triumph from dailies which gives you access to lvl 245 gear) what motivation will there be for people to continue doing Naxx or even 10 man Uld?I can assume you'll still have to do Uld to gear up for Coliseum 10-man, but it sounds like you're going to be able to grind out the gear one way or another by doing either emblem runs.
7-23-2009 @ 9:49AM
Umm, how about gearing up and what seems so easy on paper is not always so in life. People that run Ulduar still run Nax and Os and Voa and Heroics nothing has change in the quest for better gear. Just becuase you have one or two pieces of 245 ilevel gear doesn't mean you are geared to run higher content, but the hope is that eventually you will be ready?.
7-23-2009 @ 9:57AM
That's kinda the point Okabe.They want to reduce the motivation to do Naxx by a lot, and Ulduar by a little, and push people who haven't yet cleared Ulduar to finish it and move onto the Coliseum.As of this next patch, I think they intend new players hitting 80 to maybe go to Naxx around two weeks max before they are ready to start on Ulduar. And about a month max in Ulduar before they are ready for the Coliseum.Note I am talking max. More realistically, a (somewhat non-moronic) player should be able to start Coliseum after about 2 weeks from a fresh level 80 character.First week:A couple of heroics.A Naxx runAn Ulduar run later that week.Second week:Some more heroics for badgesA second Ulduar runThey can now join their guild in Coliseum later this week*shrug*
7-23-2009 @ 10:38AM
There will certainly be motivation for running Naxx, Ulduar, and heroics once they change the emblem type that drops in those places. The reason for this: somewhere around 500 possible emblems per week (if you did every heroic every day, ran all sub-T9 raid, and did all of the daily quests, and received the satchel of spoils in OS).In all reality, though, the majority of people will not continue running those, other than to get the last pieces of gear, and/or to farm emblems to buy something, so Karilyn is probably correct, and you won't sit at one tier for long.However, there are reasons to continue running these instances:#1 Pick up an item that is still a possible upgrade to what you have (perhaps a former BiS item)#2 Gearing alts and/or other guild members for higher tier raiding.#3 Obtaining emblems for upgrade gear#4 Obtaining emblems in order to downgrade to valor/heroism in order to purchase items to sell/trade, such as the Valor bracers, Frozen Orbs, Rare Gems, etc.
7-23-2009 @ 10:47AM
I was under the impression this was supposed to be a way for some of the smaller guilds to get geared quick as an alternative to Heroics.Run 5 man Coliseum for the gear. Run Heroics for the rep. Now you're ready for higher raiding.
7-23-2009 @ 12:00PM
Well it makes sense really. Blizzard are trying to push more people towards the current raid with the 3.2 updates by the looks of things. Think about it:1) Emblems of Conquest available from Heroics, Tier 7 raids and 10 man Ulduar, this gives plenty of oppurtunities to buy the Ulduar quality gear that you need, without having to run Ulduar.2) This gives a guild the option to blaze through Naxxramas at a much faster pace, and Ulduar at a slightly faster pace.I think its odd that people are complaining that Emblems of Conquest will be more widely available in 3.2. Its not making the ability to get the latest gear trivial, as Trial of the Crusader would likely have a tougher difficulty (since it gives better gear than Ulduar.)
7-23-2009 @ 12:30PM
Good list, Spazmooze.. but you missed one:#5: Because Heroics, Naxx, VoA, OS are actually fun! And better emblems will give people who feel that it's a waste of time a reason to go. The more people looking for groups, the better it is for everyone.
7-23-2009 @ 1:40PM
At the moment, there are 6 pieces of ilevel 226 gear that I can purchase with Emblem of Conquest for my pally tank: neck/hands/waist/legs/head/chest. This gear is the same iLevel as gear that drops from the last boss in Naxx 25 and the bosses in Ulduar 10 hard mode.The total cost for all 6 pieces of gear is 230 Emblem of Conquest.In patch 3.2, the existing heroic 5-man dungeons will be changed to drop Emblem of Conquest instead of Emblem of Heroism.There are currently 12 heroic 5-man dungeons.After the patch, if you ran all 12 heroics every day, you would net 46 badges, plus 2 from the daily quest (assuming they don't change it). At 48 badges a day, it would take me roughly 5 days of chaining heroics to get all 6 pieces of gear.I can't speak for all classes, but as soon as you hit level 80 as a paladin tank, you can purchase crafted gear for most slots that is sufficient for most (if not all) heroics. The missing pieces you can't get crafted can be filled in with BoE dungeon drops off the auction house and/or blue quest rewards.So after patch 3.2, anyone who is willing to invest a week or two running heroics once they hit level 80 should have no problem getting raid-ready gear. I think this is awesome for struggling guilds....Krickhttp://www.tankadin.com
7-23-2009 @ 6:49PM
Karilyn..No. There's no way a raider will hit 8 and get enough gear in 2 weeks to be performing at a T9 level. The 2pc T8 stuff is 116 EoC for example... that's not 'a couple of heroics' and a naxx run. And Naxx/Ulduar may or may not drop the gear that toon needs. What the EoC change is for are people who are already geared in Naxx-10 stuff, maybe some Ulduar stuff... they can, with 2-4 weeks of Naxx/Ulduar/Heroic farming add 2-4 new pieces and credibly be in T9 content. A new to 80 player won't move from quest greens to T9 in less than a few weeks - they have 14 slots most of which need to be *at least* Naxx level stuff. Put another way, if you can do T9 in half blues, it will be too easy.
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