Drama Mamas: Loot and leaving early

Let the Drama Mamas guide you through the sticky business of dodging drama, toward becoming that player everyone wants in their group. Drama Mamas Lisa Poisso and Robin Torres are real-life mamas and experienced WoW players. And just as we don't want our precious babies to be the ones kicking and wailing on the floor of checkout lane next to the candy, neither do we want you to become known as That Guy on your server. We're taking your questions at DramaMamas (at) WoW (dot) com.
As Oteo pointed out in the comments of last week's column, we are WoW.com's Agony Aunts. I actually only heard that phrase for the first time recently on a rerun of Cold Case, and I must admit that I almost wish we had named our column Agony Aunts instead of Drama Mamas... almost.
This week we get to see the other side of a ninja looting scandal. Sometimes there are human beings with extenuating circumstances behind what seems like a cut and dried case of loot nastiness. Also, we'll discuss the etiquette of handling PuGgers with time limits, as well as how to avoid being that guy who has to leave early. Let's get to the drama!
This week we get to see the other side of a ninja looting scandal. Sometimes there are human beings with extenuating circumstances behind what seems like a cut and dried case of loot nastiness. Also, we'll discuss the etiquette of handling PuGgers with time limits, as well as how to avoid being that guy who has to leave early. Let's get to the drama!
Note: The following question has been formatted to fit your screen edited for length.
Greetings Drama Mamas: One fateful night in June 2008, we killed 4 Horsemen. The server first (and only) Corrupted Ashbringer drops. Quite possibly the coolest sword in the game. We already had a paladin picked out to receive the sword way prior to this. Well sadly, chests during this time werent master-lootable. A rogue ninjas the sword, the Splinter of Atiesh, and the two T3 chestpieces. Raid falls apart.
I just happen to be a former guildie to the rogue. I tried to convince him to get a GM to transfer the sword to the paladin, he wouldn't (found out he was transferring servers in a week, he was going out in a "bang"). I convinced him to transfer the sword to me (we were friends), and then i would transfer it to the paladin. Sadly, my good deed backfires as the GMs wont allow a second transfer, unless the first transfer was a mistake on the GM's part.Now, the paladin and his guild didn't believe me that the GMs wouldn't transfer the Corrupted Ashbringer twice. They spread the rumor that I hired the rogue to ninja the sword for me so i would avoid the blame. I've been kicked from groups because of this. I've been denied from guilds because of this. I've had loot taken from me that i should have won in pugs. I got daily hate whispers and insults because i was then considered the scum of the server. I changed my name, but, thanks to the wonders of the friends list, those who instigated my demise knew i got a change. Recently they announced to the populace who i was. I can feel the drama about to begin again. Can you please help me, give me some advice, on what to do? Signed, Good Intentions
Drama Mama Robin: Dear Good Intentions,
Oh my. Loot drama may be the Mother of All Dramas. Let's start by looking at things from the other side:
- Fact 1: Your friend ninja'd the sword.
- Fact 2: You are now in possession of the sword.
I am honestly surprised you stuck with the infamy this long. Unfortunately, there is no way to convince the victims of your innocence. You can either choose to stay with your friends on this server and deal with the ninja reputation or transfer to another realm and start anew (with a completely different name). Perhaps Drama Mama Lisa has a better solution, but the way I see it, there's no way to undo this drama. So sorry.
Drama Mama Lisa: Ugh. Drama Mama Robin is right, Good Intentions – all but your very closest friends have chosen their sides at this point in the game. It's conceivable, I suppose, that you could post a screenshot of the GM reply denying you a second transfer of the item on various forums, but you'll never reach the realm population at large. If you have enough friends on the server to make it worth putting up with continued awkward situations, you should find yourself insulated enough to have fun. If you rely on pickup groups and are still at a loss for a guild home, though, you're probably better off throwing in the towel and looking for a fresh start.
Dear Drama Mamas: I just logged out after 15 minutes of getting reamed in general chat by some jerk I dropped from our five-man PuG when he joined and then announced "GTG in 20 min." We weren't even full yet, but when I told him we'd rather look for someone who could run the whole thing, he flipped out (and then spent 15 of his 20 precious minutes slamming me in Dalaran). Are early drops and partial runs really something that most groups tolerate? Signed, Not On a TimerDrama Mama Lisa: Timer, you're not out of sync. Common courtesy and common sense dictate that PuGgers should plan to go the distance. After all, this isn't the Maraudon or Shattered Halls of old we're talking about; today's Wrath-era instances are short and sweet.
If a player starts talking about leaving when you haven't even begun, talk it over with the rest of the group to see if they'd rather hold out for someone who can run the entire instance. If you're already under way when a bailout becomes imminent, it's not unreasonable to request that the player try to stay until you can get a replacement. For that matter, it's not unreasonable to suggest that the departing player share the responsibility of finding said replacement.
Bottom line: accepting a group invitation when you know you have to leave early is generally considered thoughtless and impolite. Don't commit to an instance when you know dinner's nearly ready or Mom is about to call or your baby will probably wake up or you're hoping that guild raid slot will open up. True emergencies and unexpected events aside, you should be there for the duration. PuGs are not fall-back or filler content – they're a social commitment, and you need to respect that your groupmates are expecting group play time.
If you need something to do during an "I'm not sure how long I'll be here" period, try dailies or questing or alts. Don't be greedy! Take care of your offline business – homework, diapers, TV time with the spouse, dinnertime, chores for Mom, whatever – before you sit down to play.
Drama Mama Robin: Chances are that GTG Joe was just impatient to get the group going and used the standard 20 minute deadline lie as a way to hurry everybody up. Whether he was telling the truth or no, he's obviously impatient and rude and not worth spending time with. I know it's hard not to take it personally, but you didn't do anything wrong here -- he did, as Drama Mama Lisa said. Put him on your personal Do Not Group list and the game's Ignore list. There are more GTG Joes out there, so if you PuG a lot, this won't be the last run-in with his brand of rudeness.
I've talked before about methods to find groups fast, which include creating a chat channel for good PuGgers with similar schedules -- though you'll still have to PuG while building up a good grouping pool. In the future, if someone threatens an early departure before you begin, just say something like "I'm sorry we couldn't group together this time. Thank you for the attempt!", kick him and fill his spot. If he behaves like GTG Joe, don't spend time raising your blood pressure by arguing with him in Trade/General/Whispers. Just ignore and move on with your fun. Life is too short to deal with funsuckers.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 4)
impurezero Jul 31st 2009 1:16PM
Good advice to both of these questions.
Strange scenario on the first one, though. Why could you convince him to transfer it to you, but not directly to the rightful owner? A master looter accidentally sent me some priest pants the other day, and I had no problem instantly filling out a ticket to get it sent to the right person (someone I had never met before that raid). Of course, your guy was apparently a proud and self-proclaimed ninja looter...so he probably wanted you to have it instead of someone he didn't know. I'd be more mad at him than anything. He selfishly wanted to give you something cool, even though you asked him to just do the right thing...
(In before the Drama Mama comment section turns into its usual drama filled hellhole? :D )
Jon Do Jul 31st 2009 2:06PM
Yeah, the first scenario has a stink about it:
"One fateful night in June 2008, we killed 4 Horsemen. The server first (and only) Corrupted Ashbringer drops. Quite possibly the coolest sword in the game. We already had a paladin picked out to receive the sword way prior to this. Well sadly, chests during this time werent master-lootable. A rogue ninjas the sword, the Splinter of Atiesh, and the two T3 chestpieces. Raid falls apart."
Fact check:
1) *Both* chest tokens were Warrior / Rogue?
2) In June 2008, chests were master lootable.
3) Splinter of Atiesh -- Classes: Priest, Mage, Warlock, Druid
Nah. I'm not buying that story. It's pure fiction.
kabshiel Jul 31st 2009 3:38PM
Yeah, I just can't think of any reason why the rogue would be willing to transfer the stuff to you and not the paladin. The whole thing just smells really fishy and I probably wouldn't group with him either.
Snuzzle Aug 3rd 2009 7:08AM
@Jon Do: You DO know, right, that even if an item cannot be used by you, it can still be looted by you? IE, the rogue can loot an Atiesh, just not use it?
So what, exactly, makes this fishy? Most ninja looters figure "I might as well take it all" and do so.
Snuzzle Aug 3rd 2009 7:10AM
@Jon Do: You DO know, right, that even if an item cannot be used by you, it can still be looted by you? IE, the rogue can loot an Atiesh, just not use it?
So what, exactly, makes this fishy? Most ninja looters figure "I might as well take it all" and do so.
Rubitard Jul 31st 2009 1:21PM
As much as I enjoy this column, I doubt that the people who would most benefit from it will ever read it.
Badger Jul 31st 2009 2:09PM
Of course not! If there's any one thing about Drama, it's that the perpetrator always thinks they're right!
Falcom Jul 31st 2009 1:22PM
its entirely possible to rename your character without anyone ever knowing your new name, but its expensive and time consuming.
step 1: transfer to a new server
step 2: change your name
step 3: transfer back
you now have a new name, aren't on anyone's friend list and now you're guildless. Unless blizzard implements a way to track toons by account(login) name, this is impossible to track.
Tinwhisker Jul 31st 2009 1:32PM
Actually, many sites have the ability to track players by their achievements. You're list of achievements are unique to you and act like a fingerprint. The sites can automatically match up characters who disappear from the armory to those that magically spring from nothingness.
Barinthos Jul 31st 2009 1:37PM
If that's the case...time to re-roll!
JS Jul 31st 2009 1:45PM
Try this: have a friend (or a trial account) create a character on the destination realm of the transfer. Have them use your characters exact name. Transfer your character. Free name change with the server transfer. Amirite?
Yakuko Jul 31st 2009 2:58PM
You don't need a friend to do that, you can make an alt with the same name on the other server yourself before you transfer. After the transfer, the next time you log on that toon you'll be prompted to pick a new name. I've done this a few times.
Feng Houzi Jul 31st 2009 1:24PM
My question is, did he equip the sword? If he explained the situation to a GM, I'm sure they could do something... But your reputation is pretty much hosed, roll a new character, hide who you really are... sigh...
Barinthos Jul 31st 2009 1:27PM
Last I checked, which was last night, Rogues couldn't wear 2H swords :P
Feng Houzi Jul 31st 2009 1:53PM
Not the original Ninja, he was a rogue, th esecond guy, the one that is having all the drama... Did he get it and after the gm said no, did he equip it anyways? Kinda hard to defend your actions when you are running around using the sword...
Drager Jul 31st 2009 2:09PM
exactly.. how did anyone ever know that the sword ended up in the pally's possession unless he was using it. Sounds like he equipped it, got spotted, then made up a story about having tried to get it passed along to the correct person.
Barinthos Jul 31st 2009 2:17PM
@ Feng Houzi - Oooh, I thought you were talking about the Rogue still. My bad. But yeah now that you mention it. But after the GM told me that it wasn't possible I'd equip it because what's done is done. But I'd still transfer servers and get a name change lol.
Barinthos Jul 31st 2009 1:25PM
Good advice on both issues.
The first issue is a pretty crazy scenario and sucks to have been that person, I'm quite surprised they didn't transfer realms before...I understand the whole friend issue, but I play the game to have fun, not get hate mail every 15 seconds and bashed in trade chat every day. I would go back to High School if i wanted to deal with that kind of childish attitude.
As for the second issue, I find it quite annoying that people accept invites when they know they have to leave soon. Especially if the raid hasn't even been filled up yet. Why bother?? Are you so important that you can't be replaced in a group that you'll abandon in *insert number here* minutes??
jurandr Jul 31st 2009 1:27PM
There's always the chance that the rogue knew about the item transfer policy and included that in his "bang." Personally I would have transferred servers and then bought the name change. Friend lists would be null after that.
tatsumasa Jul 31st 2009 1:40PM
1) make a lvl 1 with your current name on server you want to go to.
2) pay for transfer
3) get told to make a new name first time you log in
you do not have to pay to transfer AND pay for a new name