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8-03-2009 @ 11:25AM
First of all, it's too little too late for that on WoW. Secondly, as nice a token effort as it is, that makes no guarantee whatsoever that any RP is going to happen. How many people actually read those things before clicking accept? Years and years of scrolling through EULAs and ToSes have pretty much inured me to things like that and I know I'm not alone. I'm an RPer and I would even pay that any attention. Not only that, but it still doesn't solve the real issue as to why RP doesn't happen on most RP servers, the "I don't RP but I rolled here because my RPing friends did" phenomenon, which does more to kill RP communities than anything else.So while it's commendable on the part of Mythic that they at least tried, IMO it's a half-assed maneuver that's pretty much pointless and I don't think it would have made a damn bit of difference on Blizzard's part to do something similar on WoW. The fact is that the only way RP can survive and thrive on a server is with due diligence on the part of the community--with the support of GMs. If GMs don't enforce the rules, they could throw up forty screens of rules you have to click to accept before playing on the server and it wouldn't make a damn bit of difference. And that's honestly been the problem on WoW.
8-03-2009 @ 11:46AM
I have to respectfully disagree that non-RPers rolling on RP realms is the major killer of RP. It definitely doesn't help in that it can quickly create a non-RPer majority (which IMO is fine as long as they're not abusive), but in the end the survival of RP on a server is in the hands of the RPers themselves, and how they choose to react to non-RPers. If they greet an influx of griefers and straight up PVErs with no interest in RP with hand wringing and laments that the server is in its last days, then RP will die, fast. People stay OOC because they're afraid that they're going to be targeted and mocked, too much time is spent arguing with griefers in Trade and General, and after a while it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.If, on the other hand, RPers just keep roleplaying where people can see them, it emboldens other RPers and can even draw some of the non-RPers in. If the majority of the roleplayers on a server maintain the attitude that it's okay and desirable to act in character instead of falling prey to the idea that they're going to be persecuted for playing in the spirit of their own realm, community pressure eventually weeds out the most vocal of the jackasses because they have no support. I've seen both scenarios, and while no RP server in WoW is ever going to be a place where you can walk up to anyone at all and have them respond IC, they can at least be maintained as enjoyable places to play, as long as the players don't respond to "lol stop walking like that" with "Okay."
8-03-2009 @ 11:49AM
This, I don’t think most people are even going to take the time to read through the terms of agreement, especially if you’re a new player and just want to get started. I know I just clicked through it because I know what rping is. I can only imagine that someone who didn’t even care or doesn’t know what rping is probably just did the same.I wish David would have explored a little bit more on if this ToS is even doing anything in Warhammer. It’s hard to get behind such an idea if there’s not even anything to suggest it is successful in the first place.
8-03-2009 @ 12:01PM
When you have a population that mostly consists of non-RPers, how in the hell does that not have an impact on RP? Even assuming the non-RPers don't grief those who do (which, come on now, is being generous), the simple fact is, you can't RP unless you find other people to RP WITH, and when RPers are outnumbered to the degree they are on most RP servers that aren't named Moon Guard, it becomes that much harder to find like-minded people, and people tend to give up.If you think I'm full of guano, look at the current situation on Wyrmrest Accord vs. when it first opened, frankly. No, RP there isn't dead but it's a far cry from when it first opened. Being inundated with non-RPers
8-03-2009 @ 12:05PM
Eep, my reply got cut off. What I meant to say re: WA being inundated with non-RPers has hurt the server's RP.
8-03-2009 @ 12:19PM
It is a lot different, I'm not going to argue that. And I didn't say that it had no impact, I said that it isn't the major killer of RP. Player attitude is the major killer of RP, regardless of how many non-RPers you have on a given realm. As I said, a huge non-RPer majority does have a negative impact, and in a perfect game RP servers would actually be limited to RPers, but in a game as big and mainstream as WoW it's probably not realistic to expect that. The best we can do is qualify our experience according to whether or not we're still having fun.I posted further down in the thread about the opening of Wyrmrest Accord, and the huge fiasco that almost was. When I first transferred there were maybe 500 people on the server and most of them were roleplayers, and RP on the server could have died altogether with the huge influx of non-RPers we got. If it was going to happen, it would have happened then, but months later I still get people stopping to talk to me if I'm walking down the road in Durotar or emoting to myself in Stormwind. That's not everyone's definition of success, but I think it's as good as we can realistically get, and I'll take it. I'm still having fun.
8-03-2009 @ 2:03PM
ya and maybe people just get sick of raiding while acting like there in a magical kingdom in front of there cpu....RPing is cool for a second but i think most average players get sick of it...let alone the snide additudes some RPers have....and then they say "sorry im in character"wtf is that...i made a toon on a rp server and i got harassed for my name cause it wasnt what they liked....screw them and screw those types of gamers who act like that.
8-03-2009 @ 10:04PM
"ya and maybe people just get sick of raiding while acting like there in a magical kingdom in front of there cpu....RPing is cool for a second but i think most average players get sick of it...let alone the snide additudes some RPers have....and then they say "sorry im in character"wtf is that...i made a toon on a rp server and i got harassed for my name cause it wasnt what they liked....screw them and screw those types of gamers who act like that."Oh, definitely! Screw role players for role playing on a ROLE PLAYING REALM. I mean. It's such a TERRIBLE act against the population. And glory to you, for rolling on a role-playing server, with a name no where CLOSE for being accepted into role-playing, and not wanting to role-play yourself. POWER TO YOU!.........If no one got it, that was sarcasm. On a more serious note. You really expected to be treated normally, when you went to a role-playing realm, with no intention of role-playing? And then you're shocked about being yelled at? Really?
8-03-2009 @ 10:18PM
"How many people actually read those things before clicking accept?"Speaking as a lawyer, the thing to do would be make sure the little intro speil when you select an RP realm is NOT written by a lawyer. Especially not Blizz's. There are contracts for building a house that are shorter than the TWO sets of malarky you have to agree every time there's patch on WoW.I'd get someone who likes RP to write it, and give them a strict word limit.
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