One Boss Leaves: Chrono-Lord Epoch stops Prince Taldaram
by Lisa Poisso 
Aug 13th 2009 at 11:00AM
Prince Taldaram claimed he would drink no blood before his time – and thus, he ran dry in last week's Thunderdome matchup with Chrono-Lord Epoch. The Chrono-Lord held off the Prince by a margin of nearly 10% of the popular vote, and pulling out a victory that could truly be characterized as "just in time."
Clydtsdk-Rivendare called the fight: Five words to stop you: Can't do that while stunned.
In all seriousness, it depends. If this were in game, Taldaram would have a massive edge, what with the life drain. However, in theory, CLE is able to travel in time; thus, if he makes a mistake in combat, he could correct it.
Lemme give a short roundup.
Remember that if the Infinite/Bronze Dragonflight (they do the same stuff) were capable of complete time control, we'd already be dead via their massive army. And besides that, Ley-Guardian Eregos would be the easiest boss in the game because of the bronze drake. Only Nozdormu could possibly become close to complete time control (and travel, unless Chromie is far more powerful than we think--she is in multiple places we don't know about yet, along with Wyrmrest and Andorhal), and therefore no other Bronze/Infinite Dragon could be capable of stopping or slowing time permanently.
Hence, the "Epoch stops time and beats on [opponent] until they're dead" logic is like saying Rogues can stunlock anything 100-0. Perhaps a handful of masterful (i.e., NPC) Rogues could do something like that -- but that Rogue would have skill/power on or above the level of a Dragon Aspect. Epoch is a powerful lieutenant, but there's no way he could "stunlock" Taldaram completely.
Stay tuned for the next match of Round Two of the five-man Wrath of the Lich King season and vote to determine who rocks Wrath's five-man world.Filed under: Analysis / Opinion, Features, Bosses, Two Bosses Enter
Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1)
Dreamstorm Aug 13th 2009 11:12AM
/agree
Lucky13 Aug 13th 2009 11:28AM
So by the description of how the fight would go CLE is unable to kill PT but he is also able to escape whever he wants, surely this results in an effectice tie as neither is able to kill the other!
Eddie Aug 13th 2009 11:43AM
Fail. The whole point is for them to fight, reason or not, and not run away. What then all the top bosses in this would be the ones that can run away?
Also the time and returning back to the begining is not all that bright. If they could bend time as much as they want, all that they want, then one of the dragonflight would just go to when the dragons were ... blah blah blah.
This is why most back time travel movies annoy me....
RogueJedi86 Aug 13th 2009 11:58AM
People were able to pull similar BS reasons for Mal'ganis beating Ormorok(He always runs away, he has to survive to die to Arthas!), so we were allowed to use Time Travel reasons for Epoch winning. If you don't like it, take it up with the Mal'ganis fanboys who pioneered the usage of BS lore excuses to make their favored challenger win.
DruidGuard Aug 13th 2009 1:03PM
Wait RogueJedi86, you're saying you think the time travel/runs away to win tactic that people used to have Mal'ganis win his fights is BS, so you decide to vote for doing the same thing (or at least support it) for this roundup? I'm afraid that sounds rather hypocritical of you. Believe me, I didn't vote for Mal'ganis the last two matches he was in because I believed he should have lost based on his abilities vs. his opponent, but I'm not going to use that as an excuse to pull an "automatic lore win" with certain characters out of spite. You shouldn't either.
Kyle Aug 13th 2009 3:44PM
but rogue, mal'ganis goes completely immune at 1% nothing lore related about that. HE CAN'T BE BEAT!
anyway, completely and total time travel is garbage. if he were that powerful to stop time and just beat prince down so easily, why can 5 terribly geared players take him down like beating up a 5 year old.
Ghrall Aug 13th 2009 11:50AM
CLE should lose if only due to the worse voice acting in game, but I digress. Ghratz Epoch
Wulfkin Aug 13th 2009 11:55AM
The time travel argument is pretty rubbish. By that logic Epoch will win this entire tournament because every time he loses he goes back and changes it. That is, for starters, lame, and secondly not really accurate lore. The Infinite Dragonflight do not have such mastery of time that they can continuously go back and correct every mistake they make. If they did they would already have won. They can time travel and change events, but they do not have the kind of mastery over it that Epoch would require in order to win this fight.
However, I did vote for Epoch. Why? Because all of Epoch's abilities (Curse of Exertion, Time Stop, Time Warp, Wounding Strike) would dramatically reduce the effectiveness of Taldaram's signature vampyr ability if used right. Sure, it would still hurt Epoch a lot, but Taladram would find his blooddraining to take a lot longer to do a lot less damage and would cost him a lot more of his power to do so. With his signature ability significantly reduced in power, I think Taldaram would lose based on the pure physical strength and halberd-swinging kickassery of Epoch. It would be a close one though.
h0bb1t Oct 5th 2009 12:36AM
Can't let you do that Prince Taldaram.
First thing I thought.
Falcom Aug 13th 2009 12:22PM
For so
ething as big and badass looking as CLE, he sure has a panzy voice. And not in a humorous way like XT-002.
Clydtsdk-Rivendare Aug 13th 2009 1:02PM
Hey, cool. I managed to get an "andorhal" tag into a wow.com article. Something completely irrelevant. ROFL.
BTW, fights are ties when both bosses are destroyed. If somebody runs, they lose. /shrug
ben Aug 13th 2009 2:09PM
PT wins imo.
Culling of stratholme has to be the easiest 80 dungeon in WoW at the moment. And CLE is hella easy in a dungeon where everything is easy. PT, on the otherhand, is just a pain in the ass in a dungeon that is a pain in the neck. i mean seriously, heres a percentage on how many times you will wipe on either of these bosses at the standard level they should be run at:
CLE: 10-13% chance on level 78-80
PT: 50-54% chance at 76-80.
thats just a guess, but still. PT will kill you if you dont use HoTs on his target. CLE doesnt even heal during the battle: hes just a scrub boss with decent loot for that standard level range.
Next week it should be Eadric vs Paletress. Eadric wins imo
Angus Aug 14th 2009 1:05AM
way to pull numbers out of your butt and act like they are in any way factual.
It'd be close, but I'd give it to Epoch just because in anything could interrupt PT it would be stopping time...
Oznak Aug 13th 2009 2:29PM
As a minor note, even Nozdormu has shown only limited capability of time-warping as a combat mechanism. In War of the Ancients, he nearly exhausts himself in a very short fight. Granted, he is fighting some number of Old Gods, but even so, if Nozdormu himself can't mess with time to an unlimited degree, then Epoch certainly can't.
The Avatar of Blue! Aug 13th 2009 2:31PM
I always figured the Bronze Dragonflight's time travel capabilities were Doctor Who-esque: as in they aren't able to visit the same space twice, and aren't able to meet their other selves.
Angus Aug 14th 2009 1:03AM
You picked the worst argument for Epoch winning.
Seriously.
This is much more effective.
PT goes through a drain phase and after that Epoch realizes what's about to happen and how hosed he would be if he weren't able to FREAKING STOP TIME. Yes, it is a short duration, but it is enough.
PT finishes his snack, starts getting antsy and as he is about to vanish Epoch goes all super speed on him batting him around like a tennis ball. He immediately follows that with a time stop. PT is now seriously hurt and has not managed to vanish to regain the upper hand. Epoch gets seriously hurt in the next phase but as PT is about to do his orb thing, Epoch stops time again. More smacking and pain followed by epoch getting drained. So it is a DPS race except epoch pretty much is only taking damage while drained and PT is only doing damage when he is sucking the dragon.
Epoch barely wins this, and then tells Nozdormu he killed Arthas because, well, Epoch is a complete hose bag.
MazokuRanma Aug 14th 2009 2:03AM
This is a terrible argument for Epoch's victory.
First, nowhere in the game is there any evidence the Epoch can transport himself through time. If this were the case, he'd be able to do that to make sure we could never kill him. It's far more likely he's being -sent- through time by a greater power that hasn't been revealed yet.
More relevant to the fight thought, the most important thing you didn't mention is that the only way Epoch can win is if Time Stop can break Taldaram's Vampiric Embrace. The only normal way to knock him out of it is through doing damage to him, so if Time Stop fails to break it, Epoch loses, end of story. With no outside assistance, Taldaram drains Epoch until he's dead. On the other hand, Time Stop gets used often enough that it doesn't have a terribly long cooldown, so if it does work, Epoch wins. Every time Taldaram begins his Embrace, Epoch could use Time Stop.
Of course, there's no real way to tell if Time Stop would be effective, so really there's no way to ever know who would win this without Blizzard weighing in. Pick whoever you like more at this point and say their ability is stronger.
Really, though, infinite time travel? Rubbish.
MazokuRanma Aug 14th 2009 2:05AM
Hehe, I wrote The Epoch could transport itself through time... XD
10 internets to whoever comes up with the game where The Epoch can travel through time!
Omegan01 Aug 14th 2009 10:24AM
Chrono Trigger. Good game, that was. :)
MazokuRanma Aug 14th 2009 1:19PM
Yay! You've won 10 internets! =D