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8-13-2009 @ 3:20PM
Wow, the timing of this article is incredible. I JUST had a conversation with a co-worker about "achievement" in video games in the recent years. I was saying exactly what you're saying, and almost in your wording.However, on the whole, I almost wish achievements had never come into play. It feels like a cheesy boy scout badge of honor system to me, and when I see people going out of their way to do achievements that are worthless, it boggles my mind. I will ask them why, and they can never, ever give a good reason.Achievements are a double-edged sword. They are good for all the reasons you listed, but bad because they can tempt us all to turn the game from fun into simply checking off boxes on our shopping list of things to do.
8-13-2009 @ 4:09PM
I love the argument that achievements aren't 'worth' anything.It's a game, your imaginary gold points are 'worth' as much as my imaginary achievement points.It's 'worth' is measured in how much pleasure you derive from it, if you like them they are worth a lot.Personally after the nth time through a dungeon I want something different, I like that Blizz has given some ideas.
8-13-2009 @ 3:56PM
I absolutely love checking off those boxes. I look at what Achievements I need, and plan how to get them. I currently have 85 mounts, and all my focus in the game is getting to 100.
8-13-2009 @ 3:59PM
Why, out of curiosity?
8-13-2009 @ 4:07PM
@jfofla:I'm the same way. I love that you can fill out your cooking and fishing profession achievements just doing many of the things you would have otherwise. Hell once I got those done, I ended up leveling first aid up through Outland just so I got the Skills to Pay the Bills achievement, even though I don't need first aid really as I play a priest.In the end, yes, they are arbitrary points that we accumulate with a nice little flash and ding to it. To be honest though, I don't really see how its that much different from getting a new purple ring or something. After all, its just digits on a computer somewhere as they have no bearing on real life at all. But thats why I play video games in the first place.Arbitrary point wins 4tw!
8-13-2009 @ 4:13PM
I can't answer for jfofla, but as for me it is something to do at end game. Keeps me entertained and keeps me playing. I do not have blocks of time to raid so at end game so those "worthless" achievements are my goal/fun. I thrive getting any achievement I can, whether "worthless" or otherwise deemed "worthwhile". That of course leads to the ultimate question of which ones are "worthless" and which are "worthwhile"... all in the eye of the beholder. My Baron Deathcharger achievement is worth a lot to me, but worthless to others so I hear.I see it this way - I love living in the fantasy world otherwise known as wow and chatting with my friends, if not for achievements I would have dumped wow at end game due to boredome. Win/win for me and Blizzard - smart company and I thank them for it.
Why, exactly, does someone need a "good" reason? It's a video game. Can't people do something just for fun? Plus we'll ignore the fact that your definition of "good" may vary widely from that of the general player base. One of the contributing factors to my quitting the game at 70 was the fact that there was no way to measure my progress toward certain goals I had in the game. I wanted to collect pets, and mounts, and tabards, and grind rep, and complete all the available quests in zones, but actually keeping track of those things without having out-of-game spreadsheets and lists was nearly impossible. When I came back, I found much of this stuff built into the achievement system for me.I would never exclude people from running things simply because they didn't have an achievement for it or didn't know the fight (with the exception of recently excluding a former guildmate who had made fun of me for doing jousting and the Argent Tournament dailies before 3.2 dropped; he was lowest man on the totem pole to go along to Trial of the Champions). Otherwise, I'm usually willing to give people the benefit of the doubt. Long before achievements existed, people would say when looking for groups that people needed to know the fight. Now, the only difference is, you can't *lie* about it. I think that's what bugs a lot of people, the fact that they know the person asking can look them up and see to a reasonable degree if they're telling the truth. And just because you know a fight as, say, DPS, doesn't mean you know it as a tank or a healer.
8-13-2009 @ 4:17PM
Doing achievements beats hanging out in Dalaran watching Trade chat scroll by.Plus it gives a sense of accomplishment, especially doing the Heroic/Raid ones and any that require some commitment from the user to get. Loremaster in particular comes to mind.
8-13-2009 @ 4:24PM
"Achievements are a double-edged sword. They are good for all the reasons you listed, but bad because they can tempt us all to turn the game from fun into simply checking off boxes on our shopping list of things to do."I don't INTENTIONALLY set out to complete achievements. The only thing that aggravates me is when someone else tries to hijack a heroic 5-man and turn it into their own achievement "shopping trip". I've seen people ask nicely if we wanted to do xxx achievement and I've seen people be downright pushy about it.The "tard alarm" (Anaughtybear) comment up above made me laugh =)
8-13-2009 @ 4:53PM
I really do understand what you all are saying. I guess fishing for something deeper would probably be best suited for an article written about why we do things in WoW.
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