Yeah... just to be fair, this is not an original Blizzard idea... credit should be given to EQ2 who had guild leveling a LONG time ago...

its still a fantastic idea... its just not Blizzards...

This one actually ruined all the fun Blizzcon had been up to that point for me.
I'm from a very small family/friend guild. IE we have 4 accounts /members. Not even a full group.
We do everything we can together, and work hard. We've always had to deal with the handicaps presented by this game to smaller groups.

I feel shafted. Things are already guild oriented, and so much easier when you have more people.
NOW they get even MORE perks? Its like feeding a fat man pure lard. A guild already has so much by having so many more people, why is blizzard giving them even more?
To top it off, now we'll have to get into a bigger guild just to be able to do rated battlegrounds because its the only practical way.

I feel that wow, once very open to a variety of playstyles, has closed the door in our faces. There is no place for us as a smaller band of adventurers. While the decision to leave our guild resides with each of us individually, I can't help but feel like Blizzard is forcing us to close shop on our beloved little guild. :(

@cowy

Blizzard aren't really stopping you from doing anything - they are giving guilds perks and fun things to do.. that's all

There's nothing said that only big guilds will get these perks - smaller guilds are likely able to do the same thing at a much slower pace, which is fine by me. 200 people working towards something should be able to do it faster then 4.

As for rated BGs- I've been in PvP groups over the years without being in a guild for that purpose. Find other like minded people, form a chat channel with them (type /join mypvpgroupsname and you're done). When you want to PvP, hit up that channel. If you can't find these people you're not looking hard enough - tell people that you're looking for people to hit up rated BG's with, get a group and then do some BG's. The people who you enjoy those games with, ask them if they'd like to join your channel. Over time, more and more people will join.

Nothing has been closed to you - you are still able to do everything bigger guilds are, just at a slower pace. If your argument is that you shouldn't have to work harder for the same gains as a group 50 times your size does... well... thats life?

@cowy

I have my own guild that only includes my characters and guess what? This idea/play mechanic thrills me!

Granted, I may never get past guild level 5, but I am cool with that. I don't understand how any played in a guild, 2 members to 200, would think this is bad idea unless they don't like their guild.

@Cowy

I completely agree with Cowy on this one. I too prefer being part of a small guild of personal friends rather than a huge guild full of people i'll never talk to outside of WoW.

As a result, we're ALREADY at a disadvantage compared to larger guilds. With barely enough people on raid night to form a 10man group, we'll never see any of the 25man content, gear, or achievements. It's always kind of ruined a bit of the fun for me knowing that choosing to be part of a smaller group, which is much more fun for me than a larger less personal group, means that i'm automatically missing out on the higher end/progression stuff.

Now Blizz is adding even MORE stuff we're going to have to miss out on? That's just disheartening...i feel like i'm being forced to choose between playing with my friends and being able to see all the high end/progression stuff. This addition of guild levelling/perks/achievements just makes it worse. It's going to be great for all the large/hardcore guilds out there, but just another carrot on a stick for the smaller guilds that they'll never be able to reach.

(and don't give me the "it'll just take more time" argument. Smaller guilds tend to be more casual, which means they play less to begin with. So taking longer with even less time to begin with means it will take practically forever, thereby making it pointless to even try.)

@cowy

the higher ended levels in guild are likely going to be like the mass raid, raid buff's ...

if your 4 people in a guild, this isnt going to help you anyway

we just dont know how much is going to be available. you should expect your getting hosed till full disclosure is made.