[1.Local]: Cataclysmic shock and awe

And so it begins. Cataclysmic shock and awe is sweeping through WoW.com's [1.Local] channel (that's the post comments, for those of you so shell-shocked by the expansion announcements that you automatically assumed we meant that we, too, have a new feature you haven't discovered yet) as readers began gulping down the deluge of information coming out of BlizzCon this weekend. It all started with Blizzard's official announcement of the next WoW expansion: Cataclysm.
joggoms: And just like that, I'm all excited about playing WoW again!
cowy: I've never had such a mixed bag of feeling's over a game before! I love Azeroth; it's my home away from home and the place my little cow grew up, lived and played in for many years. While I am so psyched about the expansion and the changes (this is going to be fantastic), there's a odd sadness I can't seem to dismiss completely. Goodbye old Azeroth; it was good times.
Derbeste: Unifying the high levels with the leveling and twink communities back in the old world in a NEW way is a GOOD thing. I'll gladly pay for it.
More reader reaction to the flood of Cataclysm news (and of course, links to much of the news itself), after the break.
| Cataclysm race/class combo matrix New races and new race/class combos ... Can we get a "Hell, YEAH!"? There's really only one thing left to say ... Tori: Grah!!! Need ... more ... character slots ... per realm!!! |
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| Stats vastly simplified The inflated world of character stats and theorycrafting will careen into a new era as Cataclysm ushers in a sweeping simplification of the system. Steve: I fully welcome the simplification these changes will bring ... I mean, come on, think about it. Needing to use a spreadsheet to play a game is really just silly. Really. Omegan01: My Rogue right now is carting around: +Agi +Hit +Crit +AP +ArP +Haste +Expertise This change cannot come soon enough. |
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| Q&A with Cory Stockton One detail of the sweeping changes Cataclysm will wreak upon Azeroth has already been made perfectly clear. Once the upcoming expansion revises original Azeroth, players will be unable to revisit the old versions of the game world. danawhitaker: Yeah, it's cool ... unless you're a completionist who thrives on doing the Loremaster stuff and collecting all the recipes for your trade skills and grinding reputation for factions. Then you're left wondering what kind of strange limbo you're going to be in regards to attaining those things on all your alts. I'm excited about new races, the new secondary skill, the class changes and being able to get to level 85. I'm *not* excited about wondering whether I'll be able to get certain mounts or pets or factions to exalted, or how completing all the recipes for my tradeskills will be affected. And yes, I'm sorry, those are things that are important to me as a player. It's not just about end game. I'm upset about losing complete zones that I enjoy questing in. I have guildmates who've spent a lot of time in particular zones who are *very* upset about them going Horde. I'm excited for an expansion, but it's coming at the cost of losing the experience that I've had for almost three years for levels 1-60. I'm not sure how to feel about that, especially since I've just started working on my second character. For people who only care about the endgame as their goal, and not the process, these aspects probably aren't as big a deal. That's why I would love to see a way to get back to "old world" as it was. Traveling through Caverns of Time would be a logical step. But I also know that would be a tremendous undertaking, and is very, very unlikely to occur, and would be difficult to maintain. Kylenne: @danawhitaker: I could understand being upset if you just started playing the game and hadn't really had enough time to get into it. But re-read that statement you just made. Three years. Three. Years. Get over it. I'm thrilled for these changes, because the fundamental problem with WoW (and a lot of MMOs, in fairness) from a gameplay standpoint is the fact that, despite all this enormous change we've gone through in terms of the story, the old world has been in stasis. To use the most egregious comic-relief example: we've been to another planet and back and are about to take on the Lich King, but that damned bridge has still not been fixed. Kael has been exposed as a treasonous madman and defeated (twice!), yet there's still statues of him everywhere in Silvermoon City. And on, and on. And from a purely practical standpoint, Blizzard has learned so much from two expansions now. You speak of the joys of 1-60 leveling as if a good chunk of it wasn't badly designed and painful, like the corpse runs in Feralas, the 20 minutes running up and down the length of Darkshore over and over to complete a single quest, the drop rates on Dew Glands in Tanaris, etc. Compare that to the experience of questing in Northrend or even Outland. Don't get me wrong, I love the old world, but don't pretend Blizzard hasn't improved upon the experience leaps and bounds. There's a reason every Horde player with half a brain cell runs their toons to Ghostlands ASAP instead of the Barrens. People need to take off the rose-colored glasses, stop crying and go back to single player offline games if you want static worlds that never change, that you can re-live ad nauseum until the disc breaks. |
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| Blizzard announces cross-server instances The mention of rewards for leaders of five-man groups, which is part of the new cross-server instance capabilities, seems worrisome to quite a few readers. CTD: The only thing I don't find awesome about this is the "reward for the leader" part. Why should only one person be rewarded when five people complete a successful run? "Leading" in a five-man is not actually something that requires much thought or skill. In the current environment of "AoE everything down," it doesn't require anything at all if everyone has been to the instance before. And getting the group together isn't a great feat either -- that's the entire point of LFG. T: As for the reward, this will be interesting. LFG could turn into an enormous list of nothing but people LFM. Everyone wants to lead and no one will sign on unless they can be leader. Net result, PUGging is still difficult. Next up, no more passing leadership to the tank so they can mark targets. Leader does that, and now rather than a quick and easy progression, we'll get to see debates, requests and questions between the leader and the tank for multiple groups throughout the instance. I'll be very interested to see if this feature survives its beta testing. austonst: Very nice, but I'm a little worried about potential drama over who gets to be group leader, if the group leader gets different/better rewards. Neon Samurai: I admit I didn't read every single reply, but I noticed the major trends for and against. Bad players, leader spots vs. more instances, easier to find a group. But the one thing that I find disappointing by the cross-server instancing on PUGs is it is a recruitment tool for many guilds. A great number of my guild's best players came from excellent PUG players who we ran with a few more times and lured them away to us with a van and candy. Now if we get a PUG going and find a really excellent player, if they are not on our server (and) if they did enjoy our banter and style, then they would have to give Bliz more money to play with us -- and that is unlikely to happen. |
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| Guild leveling and talents How will the new system of guild leveling, designed to cement guild solidarity, trickle down into the player system? dboobis: In my opinion, this is a very dangerous proposition. Firstly, if these guild talents give guild members even the slightest advantage in terms of items gained, money earned, etc., then I can see a lot of smaller guilds collapsing as their members run off to join the larger, more advanced guilds who will be more than willing to take them on in the hopes of boosting their own position. Secondly, from a personal point of view, I raid as part of a collective (10-man) comprised of some guild members, some former guild members and some associated others (either friends of other raiders or people recruited to fill a role). Now, there are only seven of our guild in this raid group. From what I can tell, you need 75% of the raid to be of one guild to get credit for progression. Thus, even if we all happen to be in the raid one time, the guild will never get credit for it. It's going to be a bit stupid looking at the GuildOx rankings to see us as one of the top 25 strict 10-man raiding guilds in the world, and yet the Armory shows us as having no rewards for it. I can see how larger guilds, especially the more "hardcore" raiding ones, will applaud this announcement, but I do fear for how it's going to affect the smaller, more casual guilds. If you're a casual player and you see that you can get leveling gear, mounts, free reagents, etc., from the server's more established guilds, you're going to have to be pretty strong to not have your head turned. |
But we hope you'll turn your head – at least as far as WoW.com, for our continuing coverage and analysis of what's ahead in the coming Cataclysm.
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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 3)
Schnitsky Aug 23rd 2009 5:14PM
nice I can't wait for it to come out. Haven't been this excited in a while. And someone said that Cataclysm was only a rumor lol
epicboyz Aug 23rd 2009 5:12PM
im gonna miss the old world as well... and after thinking about it, one way blizz can bring back the "way it once was, as if nothing ever happened to it" would to use the old maps in a future emerald dream patch/expac or whatever.
Valt Aug 23rd 2009 5:25PM
..Well atleast this kills the never ending discussion that "old world is the deaaads!"
New races. New class combos. All from start. Old world changed and bringing high level players across the place. Shouldnt be so dead for while.
Gothia Aug 24th 2009 3:30AM
The old world is dead and it is ironic that you have to completely destoy vanilla zones to attempt to bring it back to life. The death knight project effectively destoyed the old world, pvp, and many other aspects of this game because of a stupidly abundant class that is overpowered in pve and pvp. A boost to level 55 was unneccessary and allowed every little kid, some people would never get past level 30, with half a brain to interupt others game experience in zones they would have never gotten to without said boost. This is blizzards fix for the fatal death knight experiment. Personally, I think it would of been much better to have a cataclysm that takes out all of those Dk space ship's instead of destoying vanilla zones to make up for blizzard's lack of good judgement..
Valt Aug 24th 2009 9:10AM
"...A boost to level 55 was unneccessary and allowed every little kid, some people would never get past level 30..."
Short memory there, Gothia? You need to have 55 character to make Dk.
And leveling is still not hardcore.
Valt Aug 23rd 2009 5:19PM
I'm disappointed. No, not by expansion info no no.
All this talk about next expansion and you guys haven't mention SINGLE word about one thing you have been waiting for since tbc trailer.
Yes. Im talking about
GNOMES in TRAILER. Isn't this what you wanted since bc trailer? Tsk tskguys. :P
Mike Aug 23rd 2009 5:39PM
I believe a Gnome Priest was shown in the Cataclysm trailer.
kymali Aug 23rd 2009 5:58PM
@Mike
Thats what he means :) big hooohaa that gnomes haven't been in trailers before, and now they are not one of them is jumping for joy.
Or they are and we're just not noticing as they still don't reach eye level.
kharrah02 Aug 24th 2009 12:25AM
@ Mike , Kymali and Valt
All the talk about no gnomes in trailers, was ALWAYS about the CINEMATIC trailers. Which still contains ZERO gnomes.
Ethan Aug 25th 2009 8:07AM
Gotta start somewhere. Gnomes in official machinima are what we call "gateway gnomes"
Gessilea Aug 23rd 2009 5:19PM
Generally, I'm very VERY excited about Cataclysm. The comments above hit on my two main concerns: group leadership rewards and guild levels. I play a tank and a healer. When I'm tanking I like to be group leader. Yeah, marking isn't as big a deal as it used to be, but I still use it sometimes. Unless everyone can mark in five mans, this could get sticky. And as a healer, I never want to lead groups.
The second issue could be the bigger one. I laughed and groaned when the panelist (forget who it was now) called a 30 man guild small. In this age of epics in 5 and 10 man groups, I see more and more guilds of 15 people or fewer. My own guild has six members, all close friends or family. We're part of a raiding alliance that has many guilds with between 5 and 30 members each. I get that supporting guild alliances would get really tricky, but I'll be very bummed if the new system doesn't offer anything that the really small guilds can enjoy, and I'd definitly be sad if this ends up tearing apart a raiding alliance that has boasted excellent progression groups going back in vanilla.
Riley Aug 23rd 2009 5:34PM
that doesn't change the fact that it's a small guild, average size for an established guild would probably be ~100 people
Gessilea Aug 23rd 2009 5:36PM
@Riley: I didn't mean that 30 wasn't a small guild, I'm just saying that there are lots of smaller guilds and I hope that the new system has something for us too. I won't quit if it doesn't, I'll just be a little disappointed. It's not like there won't be lots of other things to enjoy.
Gessilea Aug 23rd 2009 5:42PM
@Riley: Thinking about it, I have no idea what the size of the average guild is. I wouldn't be surprised if it were around 100 members, but I wouldn't be surprised either if it were closer to 50. It's hard to hold really giant guilds together, and for guilds who are raiding, lots of extra people can be a real issue. A good size for a 25 person raiding guild is maybe 35-40 unless you have a non-raiding rank. I'm sure there are lots of giant leveling/casual guilds too, but I'm also sure there are lots of small family & friends guilds.
Bud Weiser Aug 24th 2009 3:19AM
I never thought my psychology class would ever have helped me. Before the term "social network" got used by the media recently, professor J. A. Barnes in the 1950s defined the size of a social network as a group of about 100 to 150 people.
Wulftracker Aug 23rd 2009 6:20PM
I love the rewards for leading idea. Now someone who has done say stockades several times with their alts can take their high level toon and go back and help new players and get something for their time. It may even cut back on those folks who respond to tells with "for 10g I will".
I mean i get it.. its so people will try and help others and it's about time. it's not like this is a business where by helping someone too much to where they can take you job. This is so you the experienced player, can cultivate your teams and guilds.
Bravo Blizz!
Scyren Aug 23rd 2009 5:25PM
Never did I ever think I'd be excited about the end of the world as we know it.
GG, Blizz. You proved me wrong
Moonkinmaniac Aug 23rd 2009 5:51PM
Hey some hunters on the Petopia site brought up a great point! Whats gonna happen to the pets that are currently tameable in the zones the go boom or flood???? Will we see tons of retired pets or will they be safe due to phasing. We lose some of the barrens we lose pitch and the white cat, and what about the rare silithid in thousand needles?
Qaen Aug 23rd 2009 9:44PM
Jaina's Ark?
Thel Aug 23rd 2009 5:59PM
One thing I'm wondering about... If a brand new player picked up the World of Warcraft, Post Cataclysm, and installed it without having any of the expansions, will they be seeing the new world changes? I would assume that after the 37 hours of downloading and updating patches, they would see all the new content.
Also, if I hold on to Wrath and never upgrade to Cataclysm, I'm pretty sure I would also see the old world changes. How would they keep people without the expansion from accessing the new stuff? I would assume they wouldn't have access to Archaeology, Goblins, Worgen, and the underwater city, but unless they only allow flying in Azeroth if you have the expansion, how would they keep other players out of the new areas?