the new 2-hour rule is great for people who use it honestly. if someone is needing something illegitimate to sell it to groupmates, that person will probably be called out as a ninja pretty quick, and perhaps kicked, or perhaps convince the leader to go to loot master...

are there ways to cheat it? yes, but there were ways to cheat in the old system, too. likewise, i'd rather have the option to clear up small mistakes and feel like i can roll on gear that is sidegrade-ish, or leather instead of mail with a hunter, and not feel bad, because i can give it to someone who needs it more than i do, if that happens.

I guess I'm just looking at it from my experiences so far. In the time before the rule, I saw one accidental mislooting. It was a case where the master looter accidentally sent some priest pants to me, a Pally.

All I did, though, was fill out a ticket and got them sent to their rightful owner. So, there was always a way to fix honest mistakes.

My worry is that this will make ninjaing even more subtle and hard to track. I could take another Pally friend into a dungeon and if we end up with a third Pally, I just dress down for the instace. When that nice Pally item drops, I can roll, and no one will be the wiser that I'm actually gonna hand it over as we leave. "Oh yeah...all of you do need that," they'll all say.

Really? I've yet to see that. You must PUG with serious d-bags then.

Also, isn't the scam you describe a bit too situational to warrant basing a policy on? I've seen a lot more "why the HELL did you roll Need on that?" -- whether because of misclicks or because they have no idea how to gear -- than convoluted loot conspiracies. People can just use master looter to screw that PUG pally out of gear anyway.

It also makes life easier for disenchanters. Some people just can't pass on loot because they are conditioned to Greed all or some other mental difficulty.

I really like the new rule, I dont' have to worry too much about stuff, for ex in a 25 man PUG there was a brief /roll thing and I rolled, for teh wrong thing. I won. i gave it to some DK douchebag. No biggie.

The thing it does suck about, is that say 2-3 people greed and you get it, and you are a enchanter. Are you supposed to now DE it and let people roll for the shard? I greed then DE on my own after the PUG. If they want me to shard something i always let them trade it to me. But there is the potential for screwing over enchanters so we get even less shards than normal.

In terms of PuGs and any situation where it's not set to Master Looter, and things are kind of on an honor system free for all (you've already won something, but you can keep rolling need, or some variation of it), this sort of thing can very easily be abused, and that's very unfortunate. But it's one of the risks we all take when in those situations, though now it's even more profitable for the jerks who do so. A jerk prior to this addition was still a jerk.

On the other hand, some of us are afflicted with a designated Master Looter who makes at least 1 (or three) mistakes EVERY raid night. One might argue that perhaps that person should no longer be Master Looter any longer, to which I would so heartily agree that you might mistake me with a rabid animal. Still, since it's not a situation I have any control over, and it happens so very regularly AND the Master Looter isn't being changed to anyone else... this is the next best option. Odds are extremely slim that anyone will roll for something they don't personally need, because my guild uses EPGP. If you get something, you're paying for it one way or another. So in our situation, greed isn't an issue. But a Master Looter who has extraordinarily common bad streaks does remain an issue. Now we can fix it ourselves, unless it's a loot bug (where someone present for the kill can't get a Badge nor are they on the Master Looter's list of eligible targets).

I know it can't be that common a problem - we had no issues prior to this Master Looter, I've been in PuGs where it's never been a problem - and yet for those with a chronic Master Looter mistake problem, it has made our Raid nights so much less stressful.